New York's "Sleep No More" is probably the most successful piece of immersive theatre of all time. But there are thousands of moving parts to this magical machine. Guest Cesar Hawas likes to describe the parts of this creative ecosystem as just that, magic, but there are tons of insights to how an arts company can get such an expensive building and keep it running and profitable. Cesar talks about the more ethereal parts of Sleep No More (run by the production company Emursive) and all of the inspiration that surrounds it at the McKittrick Hotel in our first remote episode recorded outside of California.
5:55 - Cesar Hawas
6:01- The Lodge at the Mckittrick Hotel
7:34- When and why The Lodge opened
10:05- What are the different experiences you can have in the McKittrick Hotel?
12:53- Creating complicated experiences
13:36- Film VS Broadway and theater
13:53- Have you done any productions on the West Coast?
14:51- Cesar talks about working on Broadway
15:08- Did you go to theater school?
17:39- Cesar goes into detail about acting
18:28- What was the first moment that you discovered Immersive theater/entertainment?
21:43- Cesar goes into detail about Sleep No More and why it is powerful
22:10- Noah Nelson:
Check out Artist Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:
24:23- The Queen Marry
27:53- Jacob asks Dino (Think Tank Creative Art Director), “when was the first time you were exposed to Immersive Art?”
29:26- What have you been hearing about Star Wars Land?
33:03- Sleep No More’s intention
33:43- How many times have you seen the show?
35:33- Cesar talks about one of the powerful aspects of Sleep No More
Sara Thacher Walt Disney Imagineering Research & Development
40:25- Dino shares his experience at Sleep No More
42:13 Is there any sort of guidance that you guys give on this?
43:31- Jacob’s worst fear
45:41- Cesar discusses following the narrative and the correlation between McBeth and Hitchcock
48:35- Jacob explains how he is happy with his choice of not reading MacBeth before Sleep No More
49:18- Is this the second time the show has been mounted; because it also happened in London.
49:25- Cesar breaks down the history of Sleep No More
52:20- Sleep No More’s audience
52:44- Cesar and Jacob touch on how there is no dialogue in Sleep No More which making it easy for people of every language to experience and enjoy
54:36- The most exciting aspect of Sleep No More
55:22- Supercinema at the McKittrick Hotel
Supercinema - Clue
Supercinema - Wizard Of Oz
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57:52- Jacob touches on how being a host is a difficult task
59:09- The Universe is a Small Hat Trailer:
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1:04:02- Jacob asks Cesar if they survey people about their experience at Sleep No More
1:08:03- Does the art direction or improvisation of Sleep No More change at all or has it been the same for years?
1:10:11- The Heath
1:11:28- Gallow Green
1:15:11- Colin Nightingale
Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International
1:17:28- How big is the team that is programming ancillary spaces?
1:18:46- Sign up for mailings for upcoming events at McKittrick Hotel
1:19:46- Cesar touches on how they haven’t spent any money on advertising
1:23:24- How has the High Line affected the show or has the show affected the High Line?
1:25:05- How involved is Punchdrunk?
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Listen to some drunken (or in Noah's case punchdrunk) conversation between host Jacob Patterson and friends after wrapping up Noah's inaugural Immersive Design Summit. IDS 2018 brought together hundreds of creators, producers, and developers from all over the world who work in the quickly emerging world of immersive entertainment. Fields within this genre range from virtual reality to theatre to ASMR, and if any of this stuff interests you, be sure to check out the No Proscenium podcast or ask Jacob for an invite to the Everything Immersive private Facebook group. Hit us up on Instagram to chat, and enjoy our most off the cuff episode to date.
Check out Artists Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:
6:24- First Immersive Design Summit
7:28- Tom Pearson: Third Rail Projects Co-Artist Director
8:09- Then She Fell
Sleep No More
8:45- Jacob asks Tommy and Noah for advice on what he should do at Sleep No More
12:24- Art Basel
12:58- Jacob asks Tommy, “What was your overall lesson learned from the summit?”
14:20- Olivia Cueva
22:50- Noah explains how people heard about the Immersive Design Summit
24:42- Jacob asks, “What would say were the categories of attendees?”
26:50- Noah explains how they made conscious choices to make sure that this was an inclusive event
27:43- “What did you think of the town hall portion?”
30:47- Asking the audience, “what was the thing you saw that made you re-think your work?”
31:45- Tommy running into a scavenger hunt and finding a riddle when he was younger
33:46- When did you know there was a professional world of immersive entertainment?
37:44- When Tommy first experienced immersive experiences
38:43- Tommy reaching out to companies asking if he could work for them even if it's for free
39:30- Andrew McGregor:
Listen to episode #8 with Andrew McGregor
40:52- Tommy and Noah meeting for the first time an informational interview
43:08- Tommy and Noah ending up in a surprise meeting with the city of Los Angeles for permitting
45:43- Vince Meow Wolf
47:03- Read more about Candytopia and Happy Place and why they got shut down here:
52:20- Why did we not discuss the selfie palaces or the Ghost Ship?
Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:
54:57- “Tommy did you feel like it was missing from the conversation?”
57:22- Noah's opinion on discussing different business challenges with opening up a venue and needing the city on your side.
58:03- Sara Thacher
58:34- The institute
1:04:33- What was the moral of the story on that panel?
1:07:50- Budgets and rates
1:10:11- You have to make yourself valuable to the project
1:10:10- Nova Han
1:10:50- Jacob asks Noah, “What other panel did you moderate?”
1:13:54- Check out the Carne Y Arena exhibit at LACMA
1:15:08- Tommy what was your favorite moment at the Immersive Design Summit?
1:16:16- Diana Williams Content Strategist, Lucasfilm’s Story Group
Colin Nightingale Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International
1:17:14- Curtis Hickman Chief Creative Officer & Co-Founder, The Void
1:17:44- Christ Hickman THE VOID: Creating The Illusion of Reality
1:22:47- Jacob goes into detail about his favorite part at the summit
1:23:14- Melina Lauw Co-Creator, Whisperlodge
1:27:00-Serial Killers and Immersive theater
1:27:37- Summarizing Sara Thacher
1:28:55- How did you guys feel about Sara’s speech?
1:35:24- Final wishes for Immersive Design Summit 2019
1:39:58- Tommy Honton:
1:40:32- Noah Nelson:
1:41:35- Jacob Patterson
We're back! It's been a while since A.R.T. has posted an episode of our podcast, and a lot has happened in the interim. If you read between the lines (or read the "farewell letter" we published online after the LA Weekly story last year), then you know a bit of what happened, but our host Jacob Patterson takes a moment in this episode to break down what happened and where we're at because of it. If you don't give a damn and want to hear inspiring creators talk about how they're changing the world, skip this one and head over to the first full episode of Season 2 with the CEO of Meow Wolf.
0:18- What has happened to Artists Real Talk?
1:14- Check out the last episode recorded on Artist Real Talk
2:38- Why Think Tank stopped hosting the podcast, and what happened between season one and season two
3:47- Art Director Dino @nunquamdormio
3:52- Jacob’s assistant Elsa @hellsuh
4:00- Sleep No More immersive show in New York
5:34- What happened to Think Tank Gallery in general
6:00- LA Weekly following the think tank story
6:16- Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:
6:30- Scott Hove
6:37- Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:
6:55- LA Weekly
7:02- Think Tank’s Farewell letter to DTLA
7:30- Jacob goes into detail about what happened to Think Tank Gallery, what is 939 studio and what is Think Tank gallery doing next.
8:45- Scheduled inspections at Think Tank
10:33- Trap house event
12:23- Eviction notice
13:00 Think Tank creating a community a system where a community can run
16:57- Ammon Rost
18:02- Re branding / splitting the brand
19:47- Think Tanking only hosting rentals
20:25- Moving from DIY to “do it right” the difference between doing it yourself and doing it correctly so that it could live in its highest potential.
23:14- Cleaning up Think Tank to start renting it out
24:38- Does Think Tank have a social responsibility to re-sign the lease?
25:05- Drinkin’ Smokin’ West’ Coastin’ event
26:49- Dino the art director of Think Tank, stepping up and helping in inspiring ways.
28:40- Jacob explains how he had to take off his creator hat and put on his business man hat to looking at things more objectively.
31:11- Details about 939 Studio is an event rental site now, when someone wants an artistic collaboration they hit up think tank and from there they will decide if they will pitch it to 939 studio.
33:00- How Think Tank stopped wasting time pursuing things that couldn't be profitable enough to exist and started thinking outside the box
33:45- Think Tank’s event Legal Goods
Read more about it here:
34:03- You are here ll Shoot a cop
35:34- Listen to the podcast where Phil America pitches the Legal Goods idea
36:25- Jacob explains what Legal Goods was about
36:30- Greg Escalante
39:00- Selling art from convicts in Legal Goods
40:05- Bonita swap meet is located at 620 S Alvarado St, Los Angeles, CA 90057
40:03- How a lot of people got offended about a couple white dudes doing this event and the backlash that came from it
42:19- Check out videos of Jacob hanging out with children during the Legal Goods pop up:
42:29- Legal Goods Zine
42:48- Learning about the neighborhood through the children
43:22- Why Legal Goods was an important show for Think Tank
44:59- DSWC Group art show - a testament to LA
47:40 Check out the book Built to Last Successful: Habits of Visionary Companies
48:40- Meow Wolf giving Think Tank a grant
50:14- Scott Hove
51:15- Drinkin Smokin West Coastin - Group love hate letter to LA
51:54- How Jacob came up with the idea for DSWC
Read what people had to say about Drinkin’ Smokin’ and West Coastin’
59:42- Whitney bell
59:59- Whitney’s Dick Pic show
Nova Han has been producing shows on the scale of Coachella and Night on Broadway for years, but she still spends every moment thinking about the individual interaction with her work. While 50,000 people may be jumping in unison, Nova still attempts to create personal memories for each one of her guests, and she does so through a very solid consciousness that she works through every day in various fields of creation. We talk about her career through theater and into creative direction on some of the most well-known public events in the world, and what it takes to work on such a large stage while maintaining a sense of discovery.
1:35- Find us at https://www.instagram.com/thinktankdtla/
2:27- Making the steaks high
3:51- Learn more about the Oakland Ghost ship fire here:
7:43- What are you thinking about doing with your warehouse space?
8:20- Nova goes into detail about what she is aiming to create in her warehouse. Creating an artistic playground for adults that bring them back to a play state and allowing people to go through a physical challenge where they are required to use teamwork. Nova believes in creating a venue where people can explore space in an artistic way.
9:13- Trap house:
12:13- A lack of experience and places where adults can go to play
14:00- Jacob and Nova explain what Meow Wolf is while giving their thoughts on the success they have encountered and their immersive art space
17:02 - “Lets make something really cool and sophisticated and not just weld together a grocery cart and satellite dish and call it art”
17:25- How did you start?
20:00- Nova goes into detail of what she did in the circus and how spitting fire lead to lighting her ass on fire
20:53- What made you go from the performance side to the director side?
21:30- Read more about Einsteins theory
22:54- Nova explains how she follows her highest attraction even when she does not understand her path
22:40- Nova getting scouted at Coachella
23:50- Were you hired at Coachella as a a contractor to produce something for them?
24:40- Listening to your calling
24:56- From a business women's perspective how do you make sure that someone can find you after seeing the work you created? Do you have to create some pathway for that?
25:40- “People will find you if you put out powerful good work.”
27:51- Did you have periods where you were struggling to get where you wanted too be while not getting paid?
30:22- Not stopping what you love to do because of societies standard of a real job
30:41- Can you remember specific moments where you were doing projects that you weren't getting paid for but spent hours on them because you loved them? Did you ever take too many in a row and started to get scared?
32:14- Looking at the “why you are doing it.”
32:37- Jacob talks about transiting from the Think Tank to other work
33:00- Listen to Mark Schustrin on Episode 3: The science of sales, selling art from auctions to Instagram and find more of him here:
35:21- Searching internally for who you are
36:00- Do you have methods to answer the question of “why” for yourself?
36:18- There is nothing to figure out, every day you are changing and evolving from new experience and approaching yourself daily
37:00- Nova goes into detail of how she makes time for discovery by following what excites her like traveling, jewelry making and pottery— by allowing yourself to follow what you are passionate about outside of work it will potentially give you that extra knack that'll help you in work areas.
39:40- “I am in the state of discovery”
40:20- Creativity is a tank you fill up
41:17- Graphic designers
43:38- Built to Last book
Steve Jobs biography
45:12- Walter Issacson
46:44- How to stay inspired
48:05- John F Kennedy
49:00- Nova talks about hanging out with Elon Musk and a conversation they had about why he wanted to go to outer space
Who is Elon Musk?
51:00- Art creating an awakening in people
52:10- Staying inspired, creating inspiration and people being able to whiteness themselves through yourself.
52:40- Finding a tight group of people who value what you do
52:50- Setting audacious goals to keep yourself inspired
54:40- What goals have you set that are large?
56:30- Jacob talks about how kids think their ideas are irresponsible
57:51-When you do come up with an idea and you have to change it significantly to make it real, where do you decide to compromise?
1:00:08- Have you noticed that as you gone through your 20’s and into your 30’s that you've become more flexible with your ideas or more firm?
1:01:00- Fighting for an artistic vision and trusting yourself
1:02:03- When did you discover that it only takes a little bit of extra time to make something extraordinary?
1:02:22- When did you first step into the position of saying, “okay Im a director now?”
1:06:00- Nova goes into detail about how in the beginning she didn't feel comfortable taking on the title of a creative director leadership role
1:07:10- Do you feel like you ran into struggles because you are a woman of color?
1:08:20- Navigating your approach
1:09:20- Do you remember any specific instances where you struggled to find that truth in your interactions?
1:11:00- “The idea of a good leader initiates difficult conversations.”
1:11:55- Have you always been able to initiate difficult conversations?
1:13:00- Nova explains what it was like growing up within an asian culture
1:15:26- How having theater as an outlet helped Nova
1:17:55- What was the relationship with your parents like after your show?
1:20:10- Explain some of your productions. What are you creating for people now and why?
1:23:32- Worlds largest functional pin wheel
1:25:15- Did you know you were going to make it in the Guinness World Records before you did it or did you find out after?
1:25:51- Was this narrative explained to the audience?
1:28:51- How do you deal with something that doesn't plan out the way you wanted it too?
1:31:00- Being visually upset and having public freak outs
1:33:00- Moving through bad situations with grace
1:34:07- Jacob goes into detail about two things he likes to live by. One, is to take a moment step back and watch what people are experiencing. The second is to “do it to the best of your ability until its done,” and then when its done make two binders one saying what went well and what went poorly to look back on.
1:36:00- Making failures an asset to you
1:38:14- What kind of setting do you aspire to make when you are approached for festivals now? When you approach the electric forest festival every year; what kind of goals do you set out with for those productions?
1:40:11- Do yo have a set team that you work with now?
1:40:27- Nova talks about creating a permanent space where people can come to regularly for interaction and like-minded people
1:43:09- Where can people find you?
My Haunt Life is the best place for long form content that any LA-based scare fiend can find. While their basis is most certainly haunts, Mike and Russell cover everything from haunted houses to immersive theatre. The latter is really where this conversation takes off, and we go pretty deep on certain topics that provide insight and opportunity for creators looking to make a tangible impact on their guests. There is no better source to find out about the most cutting edge stuff in the immersive haunt world, so diving into how Mike and Russell see that world at this moment is a real treat.
7:06- Night on Broadway
8:43 Introduction Russell and Mike from My Haunt Life
10:55- What is a ARG? An alternate reality game (ARG) is an interactive networked narrative that uses the real world as a platform and uses transmedia storytelling to deliver a story that may be altered by players' ideas or actions.
13:33- Mike are you really experienced in ARG’s? when was the first one you ran into?
17:03- Tune into episode 11 to hear more about Noah Nelson and the Tension Experience
17:43- How did you guys find the Tension Experience?
22:10- Ron English Hulk:
24:03- How did they first get out the information for the Tension Experience?
25:33- Thoughts on the Tension experience and how Russell and Mike believe it is the best thing in Los Angeles
29:21- Read about the upcoming shows Russell and Mike mention at http://www.myhauntlife.com/los-angeles-haunt-calendar/
29:38- How often do you find the process of people wanting to be apart of it then people falling off? Is there a pattern within the personal line that is crossed with the people who fall off or does it move show to show?
32:23- Jacob goes into detail of how Immersive theater is a great way to flip the art world upside down.
33:13- Karen Finley
36:18- How do you think the experience was for the people who only went to the haunt portion of the Tension Experience?
45:09- What do you think would have happen if you changed your character and started reacting in the opposite way?
46:43- If you had to suggest an experience to the audience which one would it be?
Lust Experience: http://thelustexperience.com
48:33- Where would you suggest the audience to start at, to those who have not been exposed to the Immersive theater?
50:03- Is there a way for the people who weren't involved with the tension experience to get caught up?
52:03- Thoughts on how The Haunt life documented The Tension Experience on their podcast
53:43- Jacob goes into detail about how and why he first got off-put about the Immersive world
54:33- Megan Reilly:
54:58- Scott Hove:
55:33- Russell and Mike explain why they do what they do with “My Haunt Life”, and how they wanted to give real genuine reviews for the people.
59:33- Russell and Mike go into detail about the Immersive world and how “there is a difference between creating a show where you want to pull them in and involve them and then you have the other thing where someone in the audience is forced to do something they don't want too.”
59:33- On your guy’s podcast you break down honest reviews on Immersive shows, going into detail about what was good/bad from both of your point of views and you then end it with the show as a whole- has this been a structure since then start, or did it come naturally?
1:02:28- What were you guys doing before, you said it was a craigslist add?
1:04:13- Did you guys meet at Scare LA?
1:05:03- The story of how Russell and Mike met
1:09:44- Flying Lotus Film
1:10:44- The Queen Marry
1:11:18- Matt Durado:
1:13:13- The Hollywood Fringe Fest will have an Immersive show category this year learn more details at http://www.hollywoodfringe.org
1:14:43- Teri Hatcher
1:15:43- Russell, did you have a background in theater?
1:20:33- Mike, how did you get into the haunt world?
1:25:23- Jacob goes into detail about when he went to a Immersive haunted experience alone and how it impacted him
1:37:34- The Rope Experience:
1:40:33- Russell talks about weird experiences with fans since he is in the Blackout documentary and how haunts have to sometimes deal with overactive fans
1:46:35- A lot of people go to Knott's Scary farm or the Queen Marry because this is what they know. Now things are starting to spread with the Immersive world and with all the knew people learning about these Immersive shows, they do not know the rules how do you think producers should handle their new audiences?
1:50:03- Escape rooms and people ripping and or breaking pieces
1:50:45- Its the communities responsibility to approach escape rooms and Immersive theater shows appropriately
1:55:17- What advice would you give to people who are already making shows or who want to step it up in this world?
1:57:13- “Create, take risks, invite people in to what you create but respect them for taking the risk to follow you.”
2:00:03- Producers need good customer service
2:03:33- How do you bring customer service during an Immersive experience without breaking character?
2:04:55- What happens to you when its not haunt season? What are you guys up too right now and what are you looking forward too?
2:05:28- If you could suggest a show right now what would it be?
2:07:11- What are you guys looking forward to with Scare LA coming up this summer?
2:07:56- Find more of Russell and Mike at
Find different events of escape rooms and Immersive shows at
If you are visiting LA and don’t want to do tourist things, check out
Call 515-HAUNTLA if you want to leave Mike and Russell creepy messages
It's impossible to describe Phil America's work, and that fact is very important to him. Our host Jacob Patterson and Phil are from the same working man's town in NorCal, and they relate on many topics. Because of that, this podcast gets deeper than any we've done so far. Discussing what it means to be an American and an artist at the same time is what we are all doing nowadays, but it's something over which Phil has been obsessing for years. And that obsession expresses itself in many ways, oftentimes illegally.
0:00 - Intro
6:02 - What do you do?
6:19 - Not being exclusively stuck in a box
6:50 - Are you still a graffiti artist? When did you start?
7:32 - What were the first trashiest tags you were putting together? Did you use pens or spray cans?
9:02 - Was this the first art you did period?
9:14 - Art VS. Vandalism
12:02 - Phil explains what his favorite type of art is
14:02 - Social media echo chamber
14:42 - Do you consider yourself on the other side of people who are putting up gang graffiti?
16:02 - Calling social media activism when it really doesn’t do much
16:42 - At what point after 13-14 years old did you start writing things on the walls that you wanted people to see (with a social agenda)?
18:32 - You started sharing photography and publishing books; when did that start and what was the thought process behind it?
19:42 - Learn more about who Jean- Michel Basquiat is at
21:02 - Street art and the media are two different worlds. Do you think there are more areas now where these two worlds combine?
22:22 - “Graffiti is the only art form that was created by the youth.”
23:16 - What came next for you after tagging?
23:42 - Phil gets into detail of who graffiti train painters are and what they do
25:47 - When did you find your interest in graffiti train painters?
26:19 - Were you in a crew In Sacramento?
26:32 - When did you take the step of being an artist instead of just painting trains?
28:22 - https://streetartnews.net/tag/montana-gallery
28:52 - How Phil realized he was more than just a Graffiti artist and a photographer
29:24 - Why did you choose to go to Europe?
29:32 - Phil’s published books
29:55 - Phil goes into detail about realizing he does not want to restrict himself to only photography
31:18 - Is your graffiti work documented somewhere?
33:07 - You say that these graffiti artists don’t care about anything other than getting their respect at the same time you personally don't care if you suck or if you are good— you care a lot about the culture and getting in there to document them. When did this shift change from you painting to caring more about the culture?
35:07 - Where did you go to prison and for what?
36:32 - People viewing you through a lens of being straight white male
37:44 - An Interpol notice is an international alert circulated by Interpol to communicate information about crimes, criminals and threats from police in a member state (or an authorized international entity) to their counterparts around the world.
39:32 - Principle and conviction
39:52 - Did you make work in prison, if so what kind?
40:42 - Project in Thailand white ambition
41:42 - The caste system in India is a system of social stratification which has pre-modern origins, was transformed by the British Raj, and is today the basis of reservation in India. It consists of two different concepts, varna and jāti, which may be regarded as different levels of analysis of this system.
44:22 - Project in Thailand
45:12 - What was the first thing you did when you were in Bangkok since you didn’t take your camera?
46:29 - Phil touches on how he got in touch with the mafia in Thailand
48:00 - In Thailand the Thai people look down upon the slum people. Phil managed to find away that connects the both of these worlds. He placed both sides together in hopes of sparking conversations between the two in which he succeeded. His only hope is that this will lead somewhere in the future.
49:22 - Do you think there was some sort of difficulty while trying to express this project truthfully since you are a white american?
51:00 - Phil questions why it was okay for him to go to a higher part of the town but not the slum part of town
52:22 - “The language of art”
54:22 - How shortly after this project did you get arrested over there?
55:02 - What was it like being a white dude and coming out on the newspaper while in jail?
55:53 - How long were you in jail for?
56:53 - Phil explains how going to jail influenced him
59:12 - “If my mom can’t understand it get the fuck out of my face!”
01:01:52 - Phil is able to have conversations with people that he sees are voiceless, in a certain realm. He does not make his art work to them, he makes it for them.
1:03:47 - What was the moment you were like okay i’m going to prison?
1:04:00 - Phil taught at a school in Thailand, and by doing this him and his team helped thousands of people out of poverty.
1:05:42 - Did you get to call anyone from back home to let them know you were getting locked up?
1:09:32 - At what point did you decided to start calling yourself Phil America, how does it make you feel when you are called that?
1:11:42 - Taking American for granted
1:15:12 - Separating and using different names for different creative projects.
1:16:36 - Listen to Shelley’s podcast episode #5 and find more of her at
1:17:07 - Creating a story for the name you chose
1:19:17 - How have you moved up from each project you’ve done- from graffiti to photography etc
1:20:32 - Using the best language people will understand to get messages across
1:22:07 - What was the first instillation you did, was it in Europe?
1:22:42 - “Pictures are not worth a thousand words.”
1:24:02 - Phil’s thoughts on only creating art that is powerful
1:24:32 - Do you have ideas that are aesthetic?
1:28:01 - http://www.artsdistrictneworleans.com
1:29:07 - Where do you draw the line when people are emailing you trying to take advantage of your connections etc?
1:31:42 - Phil gets into depth about how the people he wants to help are the ones who aren’t asking for help.
1:33:42 - Jacob and Phil’s thoughts on not putting your name on every project you do, or the help you give.
1:35:12 - Shelley Holcomb
1:35:52 - Building relationships with sponsors
1:38:52 - Jacob speaks about how instillation art is important. In today’s society people are drawn to art that they can snap a photo of to post on Instagram while tagging their friends which is good exposure for the artist.
1:40:22 - The language of art
1:41:30 - Built to Last by Jim Collins and Jerry I. Porras
1:43:42 - Jacob and Phil’s thoughts on Millennial's having a complicated relationship with work and the American Dream.
1:44:50 - “Who does the most work, the best work the hardest work and who's the most clever.”
1:46:36 - Good is a subjective term hard work is not- to Phil working the hardest does not mean it is the best work but at the end of the day it is something he respects.
1:48:56 - Understanding a process Vs time
1:49:27 - See more of Phil’s art instillation of sneakers made into a flag
1:52:02 - What it means to be an artist and an american at the same time
1:53:22 - Super bowl rant/Tom Brady/Lady Gaga.
1:56:27 - See the trailer for the dance show by Daniella Agami
1:58:01 - Jacob gets into detail on a collaborative idea that both him and Phil hope to create. This project will involve sections of the border between Mexico and America; making references to politics. This piece can help for a mediative inspection of those ideas
2:07:22 - Phil speaks about Donald Trumps idea of creating a wall and how it is not something new that does not exist. This wall specific wall already exists and Phil believes people are critical of the idea of walls, not this wall. People are against the idea of keeping people out of somewhere when they are just looking for a better life.
2:08:42 - The American Dream, how it’s fallen, the mistaken angle in the belief that we can “Make America Great Again” – case in point, Americana:
“From the mid through late 20th Century, Americana was largely associated with nostalgia for an idealized life in small towns and small cities in America around the turn of the century, from roughly 1880 to the First World War, popularly considered "The Good Old Days". It was believed that much of the structure of 20th Century American life and culture had been cemented in that time and place”
The zeitgeist of the idealized period is captured in the Disneyland-style theme parks' Main Street, U.S.A. section (which was inspired by both Walt Disney's hometown of Marceline, Missouri and Harper Goff's childhood home of Fort Collins, Colorado), as well as the musical and movie The Music Man and Thornton Wilder's stage play Our Town. Especially revered in Americana nostalgia are small town institutions like the barber shop, the drug store/soda fountain and ice cream parlor,
2:10:42 - Your name has defined you and your work; with this crumbling American dream how do you reconcile this
2:13:14 - Phil explains what his idea of the American Dream means, “It’s a feelings it’s an emotion its something you can’t bottle up. America is a place where you are allowed to dream.”
2:16:52 - Americans taking what they have for granted
2:21:54 - If the way you are trying to communicate your message makes it so there is no receiver, from that point longer it is no longer a message because it wont get to the receiver.
2:22:59 - Kafka’s “Metamorphosis” and the idea of being worthless to even your family if you are unable to do good work – a reflection of American ideals from a German author
2:23:42 - Phil’s comments on street art - how putting a label/placing it in a box immediately takes away from what the person is saying from viewing it through a specific lens.
2:27:22 - What are you working on next?
Find more about Phil America at:
We really want to experiment with the format of this conversational show, and this week our co-host Jacob Patterson sits down for a conversation with two team members. Art Director Dino Nama and Real Talk Research Assistant Madelyn Flores listed a bunch of questions they put together after listening to prior shows and looking over some Think Tank exhibits. Patterson does a hell of a job stumbling through them and only answers like 5% of them in an hour... we also provide a little context for who Think Tank is and where we currently stand in the scheme of things. Enjoy this "behind the scenes" episode and let us know what you think!
1:23 - Reflecting on the podcast
2:40 - Jessica Bley
3:40 - Jacob gets into detail of how he got into the art world
6:15 - Transition to podcast questions
7:27 - When the Think Tank gallery was originally created what was the initial vision for the gallery? has that vision shifted along the way?
7:50 - John kennamann
8:50 - http://breweryartwalk.com
11:48 - Adam Bowden: http://instagram.com/adambodenphotography
12:45 - Putting go pros on couches and throwing them off roofs
12:15 - Sarah Penna’s Instagram and Twitter @sarah_penna
15:00 - Jacob explains what the Think Tank Gallery has become
15:40 - Where do you guys see the Think Tank Gallery at in 1 or 2 years? Has the gallery had a steady growth or has there been some set backs along the way? If so, how did you guys knock out those set backs?
16:03 - Jacob under threat of being arrested and went to court for an event
18:25 - Head butting a police captain
21:48 - What is your PR strategy moving forward?
22:50 - Moving out of the current Think Tank Gallery location
23:00 - http://nightonbroadway.la
25:05 - What are you guys defined by?
26:07 - If the Think Tank Gallery has to move locations, what does that mean for you guys?
28:40 - Tune into episode 8 for more on Andrew McGregor and his inspirational missions
29:28 - Looking back at episode 1 with Matt Dorado is it possible to make an event or production too simple? What critical details need to be paid attention to in every podcast?
Matt Dorado: www.thedrunkendevil.com
30:00 - What builds a Think Tank production now?
32:45 - Knowing the basics of what can shut down a production
34:00 - What are the philosophies in your life, do they relate to Andrew McGregor’s (episode 8)?
36:08 - The idea of an employer vs an employee
37:42 - How does the gallery balance taking on multiple projects at the same time; do you have any tips for the listeners?
38:45 - Separating what is urgent and what is important
41:46 - “The important things can get done before everyone wakes up or after everyone leaves the office.”
44:00 - How have you seen the podcast progress in both technical and artistic terms up to this point?
46:40 - Seth Goden https://twitter.com/ThisIsSethsBlog
The Time Ferriss Show Ep #177 with Seth Godin
49:00 - How have you focused your energy after the presidential election? Do you mix politics with your work at Think Tank Gallery?
50:50 - The Think Tank stepping out and not being afraid to say things that need to be said
54:45 - The desert with Scott Hove and mushroom trips (hear the full story on episode
55:15 - Kiran Gandhi:
55:26 - In what ways have you as directors had to exhibit improv skills similar to Jackie’s from Traphouse?
57:30 - Jacobs thoughts on having content before sharing and letting it exemplify what it is you do; not gunning for that big break unless its there.
1:02:11 - Next event at Think Tank Gallery Drinkin' Smokin' & West Coastin’ 3/18-4/20 stay updated at http://www.thinktankgallery.org
Where you can find Jacob Patterson:
Noah started NoPro when he decided that he wanted to find out more about the world of Immersive, and found there was no newsletter to follow. Years later he runs the definitive Guide to Immersive Entertainment in newsletter and deep-dive, long-form podcast format. He also records his show in our studio. We talk about the Ghost Ship fire, the world-changing Tension Experience, the fertile grounds for creation in LA, what Immersive Theatre is and how the term is abused, Think Tank's Trap House show, the paradigm-shifting advancements in VR, and the most important things that have happened in these worlds. If you don't know what Immersive is, you're in for a major lesson on what is in theory the most impacting art form in the world. If you do know what Immersive is, then you know Noah and you're excited to listen to this episode already.
3:51 - Introduction
5:57 - How do you feel about coming off haunt season?
6:41 - Noah’s thoughts on soul searching
8:21 - Noah’s day job with journalism, art and conflict with politics
8:51 - Jacob and Noah discuss the fire in Oakland
11:10 - Patricks thoughts on Facebook arguments
12:51 - Fuck Donald Trump
13:51 - Noah gives his thoughts on the Oakland fire and how it effected the people around him and the art world in general
17:36 - Read more about the Arts District development:
18:51 - Noah discusses how the Los Angeles Arts District is changing and shifting while real artists are being pushed out
22:41 - Patricks thoughts on the Oakland fire and what he thinks the number one reason DIY spaces get shut down
29:27 - “The problem is there is a lot of people out there with misinformation.”
36:51- Bryon Bishop articles
37:42 - Noah Nelson breaks down what Immersive theater is
40:46 - http://www.traphouse.la
41:21 - http://sleepnomorenyc.com/#share
42:16 - https://medium.com/@noahjnelson
44:31 - Patricks thoughts on Immersive theater
48:51 - Jacob talks about fearing the spotlight
52:49 - http://aureliafriedland.com/
56:01 - https://www.lytro.com
57:33 - Noah explains what the new Cinema camera is, what it can do and how it ties in with VR.
(read more on what a VR is here: http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/v/vr.htm)
1:01:36 - Did you go to the John Wolf abandoned hospital art show?
1:04:27 - Noah Nelson gives his input on non interactive immersive shows
1:05:47 - The idea of open frame theater
1:06:11 - “Interactive theater does not have to be immersive to be interactive.”
1:08:31 - Jacob describes his favorite rooms in John Wolfs abandoned hospital art show
1:09:21 - You say something can be interactive but not immersive; can you give an example of that?
1:09:34 - Annie Lesser: Getting To Know You
1:12:46 - Annie Lesser A(partment) 8
1:14:31 - Noah explains how escape rooms can be immersive
1:18:21 - Patrick, when you were developing this escape room did you feel like you were developing an immersive theater show?
1:18:51 - Patrick explains the Think Tank Galleries escape room in more detail
1:25:58 - If you had to go back and change something Patrick, what would you do differently?
1:31:51 - Noah explains what The Delusion is
1:32:26 - Jacob gets wet off vocabulary
1:37:00 - Andrew McGregor:
1:39:11 - http://www.enterdelusion.com
1:40:26 - If you had to asses what about Delusion makes it a stand out what would you say?
1:43:30 - What is The Tension Experience?
1:45:51 - Noah explains what one of the stories for Tension was
1:49:51 - Stripping down in The Tension Experience
1:56:04- Manipulating and brainwashing
2:00:56 - Patrick explains what Darren Lynn did at The Think Tank Gallery
2:10:26 - Megan Reilly:
2:14:16 - “The real currency is the attention the audience gives and if the company feeds it back.”
2:16:31 - If a 20 year old high energy individual was hopping in the arena right now, what kind of things would you want to see them do with all that energy?
2:18:24 - What was the first immersive theater show that you ever attended?
Did you go to New York specifically to see those shows?
2:22:21 - Where you can find more of Noah Nelson
Kiran Gandhi has spoken to thousands of people about her particular way of changing the world, and has implemented into her performance art such unusual strategies as dripping menstrual blood while running marathons. We've known each other since before either of us gained audiences so sitting down to talk about how to responsibly reach those audiences while on the mic with them is an introspective affair. She is one of the best musicians we know, one of the smartest people we've met, and one of the most interesting women you could come across. She believes that the Future is Female and we're on board with that idea after this chat. We hope you will be, as well.
3:05 - Is google consciously not that female friendly?
4:55 - Jessica Wethington Mclean:
5:15 - Kiran’s thoughts on stay home dads and taking on roles as a parent
6:15 - Kiran gives a little run down on who she is and what she does
10:04 - What was your major in college?
10:55 - Within Kiran’s first two months of living in Los Angeles she got a full time job at Interscope as their first ever digital analyst.
11:03 - http://www.interscope.com
14:05 - Did you set out a goal to make a job out of your internship before they gave you an official job?
15:18 - How did you navigate from Interscope to Spotify?
17:00 - Was going to school for your MBA worth it?
17:05 - https://www.spotify.com/us/
18:05 - Speaking confidently and critically has helped Kiran as a consultant and an artist.
18:35 - Did you start your own company?
19:15 - Kiran explains how doing free panels has helped her
21:00 - https://www.spotify.com/us/
21:17 - Streaming services
21:55 - Kiran’s business plan and how she thinks artists should be getting paid a bigger percentage
23:09 - The dangers of labels knowing what music is more valuable than others and how that makes artists change their music
24:48 - Kiran explains what “gating content” means.
26:22 - Where do you listen to your music at?
27:55 - Kiran’s thoughts on artists putting their own music onto Spotify
30:41 - Are you on Spotify? Who would you imagine seeing next to you as related artists?
31:15 - How did you get involved with MIA?
32:10 - Sinziana Velicescu:
34:45 - One of the most interesting things about you is that you try to get difficult ideas across to audiences when they may or may not want to hear them; why don’t you talk about your band and how you are trying to do that.
36:10 - Runson Willis:
Do you love - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Zj4S9dbQI
36:53 - http://www.madamegandhi.com
38:25 - Madame Gandhi EP
38:35 - Were you apart of the invention for the phrase “The future is female?”
38:45 - Check out Otherwilds collection here:
39:45 - You have this idea of the four levers of social change; how did you come up with this metaphor and implement it?
45:15 - Which levers do you think are the most difficult to pull?
47:15 - Where to find Kiran Ghandi:
Read Kiran’s interview with Rolling Stone here:
49:43 - Music begins
Scott Hove is an artist whose primary medium is perspective. He has manipulated his art viewers psychologically and literally for decades, and his work is more poignant than ever. He asked our hosts to sit down and talk as Bay Area natives about what the recent Oakland fire means for DIY, artist-run, and under the radar spaces for creation, and make some plans for the future. This is a heavy episode and one with a lot of potential action on the other end, but also one of our most broad discussions. We hope you enjoy it and contact us if you have any interest in learning more about permitting with us and addressing our community's needs with us.
4:30 - Intro to Scott Hove
Find more details on Scott Hove’s upcoming show in San Francisco on January 15th here:
8:45 - Explain to people who have never seen your work before? What is cake land?
12:40 - Patrick, if you were to give a break down on what you see in cake land what would that be?
15:20 - ISIS Cake: http://laluzdejesus.com/littletopia-2015/hove_welcome-home-islamic-state/
17:40 - The Think Tank receiving hate mail from upset people from Scott Hove’s unique pieces of art.
18:50 - Patricks thoughts on losing followers from art shows or events.
21:45 - As an artist have you adopted the “can’t please everyone mentality,” or have you had this mentality since day one?
22:30 - Scott Hove’s thoughts on paying attention to pop culture
23:30 - Scott Hove’s personal aesthetic
24:50 - Recycling and repurposing old design
25:00 - Dieter Rams:
26:19 - “Master your instrument, Master the music, and then forget all that bullshit and just play.”” - Charlie Parker
26:50 - Salvation Mountain:
28:24 - How to pronounce Scott Hove
29:31 - Reflecting on Break Bread: http://www.thinktankgallery.org/breakbread/
What do you remember about break bread? What do you look back on fondly?
30:10 - Check out Keith Bakerson’s Ice cream truck Installation here:
See more of Keith’s work on his Instagram:
32:15 - http://samwohl.com
34:10 - http://www.standardvision.com
35:10 - The power of an image
35:20 - https://www.cirquedusoleil.com/
35:45 - More about Scott Hove’s cake gallery in Oakland
36:49 - What lead you to design your first cake?
39:12 - Scott Hove explains how he was feeling more violent than beautiful and it impacting how he now uses light and dark in his art.
40:55 - Scott Hove gets into the injuries he has witnessed while working on tug boats and how working with tough guys has opened his eyes and balanced him..
45:20 - Barley surviving financially Scott Hove makes the choice to quit his secure job and throw all his energy into his art.
47:00 - Patrick, what was it like for you to quit your job and commit to what you love doing?
49:15 - Patricks thoughts on being committed to change
50:15- Consequences of your decision
52:20 - DIY Art spaces
55:30 - Jacobs thoughts on building safety rules and regulation
56:03 - Patricks experience and the sequence of someone getting a space and not understanding rules and regulations
57:50 - Scott Hove’s thoughts on managing an artist space and knowing the rules and regulations
58:30 - Enriching communities with art
1:00:30 - Scott Hove explains how Think Tank has made a program to make it easy for artist run spaces to work with the city to get proper permitting and Jacob explains the thought process behind it in more detail.
1:02:30 - Artist’s starting by throwing a party and seeing how they can get away with it before looking into rules and regulations
1:03:40 - Risking safety for art
1:04:30 - Scott Hove’s thoughts on how Think Tank is set apart from other spaces because of their knowledge and basic concept of stability plan
1:06:30 - The complications of getting permits and the dedication it takes
1:09:10 - What do you think people need to look into when they first start a venue or pop-up?
1:13:00 - https://www.la2050.org
1:013:30 - How the Think Tank pitched their grant to LA2050
1:15:00 - Artist’s sharing information about the rules and regulation going into creating a venue that is safe
1:16:55 - Fuck you Dave Brooks!
1:17:45 - Jesse Damiani:
1:18:50 - Martin Shkreli:
Vice Documentary: http://documentaryheaven.com/an-interview-with-martin-shkreli/
1:20:34 - Martin Shkreli breakfast club interview:
1:22:10 - Scott, you have worked and lived in unregulated DIY warehouses/spaces- what were your first ones like?
1:23:30 - Andrew McGregor: http://www.mightykingdrew.com
1:25:10 - The Think Tank exploring the world of expanding to different cities
1:25:40 - How many of these unregulated spaces did you live in?
1:26:10 - Did you have your own gun?
1:26:25 - Scott Hove shooting a refrigerator in the hood
1:27:30 - Artist run spaces in Oakland
1:29:40 - What do we require from law enforcement to make dangerous situations more feasible?
1:30:45 - Patricks thoughts on how the city needs to have resources and or someone with the time to talk about regulations etc.
1:33:55 - http://www.spaceintheraw.com
1:36:30 - DIY spaces being a target in the eyes of LAPD
1:37:00 - Viewpoint from the LAPD’s perspective
1:38:00 - Why it is important to go through a permit process when throwing an event/party
1:40:20 - Scott, what do you want to see moving forward in Oakland and here in LA?
1:43:30 - Scotts thoughts on how people and cities need to take responsibility and how artists need to take responsibility for their own safety
1:44:50 - Take an inside look on what Ghost Ship was before the fire:
1:46:44 - Looking back at your 20 year old self what advice would you give?
1:47:55 - What were the methods you employed looking back that dispelled the fear of caring what people think?
1:48:30 - Free yourself of what people may think
1:49:00 - Do you feel as if psychedelics and other substances have been important to your growth as an artist and individual?
1:49:30 - Mushrooms helping artists and opening their eyes by stepping outside and connecting to nature
1:51:55 - Are you making some kind of claim or promise to the universe that this is your duty?
1:52:30 - Connecting with the universe and it helping with your goals and statements
1:53:30 - Jacob talks about his shroom trip; his vision of what was possible became greater.
1:54:20 - Scott Hove talks about the terror of mushrooms, how the fear of taking them is a direct reflection from facing the reality of what life really is. He believes it’s important to welcome fear by facing their own mortality in a brave way; art being one of them.
1:56:00 - “Give the fear a place to live,” and It’ll go through you.
1:56:30 - Jacob tells a story about him and Scott in the desert taking shrooms, setting up tents, communicating to the gods, and sitting in bushes.
2:00:30 - “Stop and remember how powerful you are.”
2:01:30 - Patrick’s thoughts on psychedelic drugs and how he believes it is sacred moment when taking them
2:04:30 - Where you can find Scott Hove:
00:00 - Introduction to Andrew McGregor
7:30 - Who is Andrew McGregor?
9:11 - Chess Boxing: Chess boxing is a hybrid fighting sport that combines the two traditional sports, chess and boxing. The competitors fight in alternating rounds of chess and boxing.
9:57 - Give a little back story on how your path brought you here to Los Angeles and Chess Boxing..
13:40 - Do you ever look at these moments in your life and think there is something more like you are a chosen one?
14:10 - Photo journalist James Nachtwey:
Photos taken live on 9/11
15:01 - How far along the spiritual spectrum do you fall in your beliefs?
15:36 - New age and self justifying without a root
16:50 - How McGregor conducts himself by reducing suffering, increasing joy and creating a benefit during every interaction.
Philosopher Epicurus learn more here:
18:41 - Habituation and discipline
19:26 - How do you put yourself in a mental place where you can commit yourself to so many different projects without comprising any of them?
21:30 - How do you stay focused when doing research in a field you’ve never studied in before?
23:30 - Task based motivation, “If you don't know what you cant do the sky is the limit.”
24:20 - Robotics
26:38 - Robot film festival
26:47 - http://hivegallery.com
27:20 - More about Andrew McGregors short film:
27:35- Apopo is an organization that has a vision to solve humanitarian problems with detection rats technology learn more at https://www.apopo.org/en/
30:00 - McGregor’s prototype robot:
31:00 - Problems and solutions creating this robot
31:50- At what point did you think this fake robot in an imaginary world could actually be real?
32:40 -Robotis artist http://ianingram.org/bio.html
33:30 - Robotic Squirrel:
35:15- “Let’s do something awesome with our gifts; desire.”
35:41 - What advice would you give those who are intrigued to do something they know nothing about?
38:10 - Do you approach these conversations with your prior accomplishments at hand?
39:00 - Do you think almost being killed has contributed to your outlook and unleashed fearlessness?
40:20 - Being focused and having integrity will allow you to do anything you want
40:40 - Expanding on the times McGregor has almost died.
Does your philosophy help you with approaching women?
42:50 - Patricks thoughts on war, soldiers and how life works.
44:50 - Ted Haler Poem called "first tour" (can not find)
45:45 - Veterans “thank you for your service.”
47:03 - Andrew McGregor’s Photo journalism career
47:20 - How did you come across this industry (photojournalism)?
47:30 - Travel photography, moving to different countries and learning new languages.
49:15- How photojournalism ties in with seeking the world
50:15 - Patricks thoughts on making an impact
51:35- At what stage did you decide that your purpose on this world was philanthropic?
54:20 - A bad year in Los Angeles turning into a good summer in Berlin.
54:40 - McGregors thoughts on “do you view yourself as an employee or an employer..”
56:33 - Tell us what the Tiziano project is
learn more about the Tiziano project here: http://tizianoproject.org
58:17- The intimate and beautiful photos McGregor received back after letting a community use his camera.
59:15- Local perspective
1:00:10 - Erik Kim http://erickimphotography.com
1:00:48- You have a belief that every single group of human beings in the history of mankind has a story teller; have you found that to be true?
1:03:25 - How did you get introduced to Tedx- what did you talk about and what was the response?
More Tedx talks with Andrew McGregor:
1:04:20 - Non-profit organization https://www.toastmasters.org
1:05:32 - Was public speaking an intimidating process for you and how did you approach that?
1:06:30 - Remembering the benefits of your public speaking and what is a stake
1:07:10 - Are you afraid of anything?
1:07:45 - You have a very busy lifestyle do you prioritize ensuring that you are able to go out and meet up with friends or call people? How have you nurtured these relationships outside of business?
1:09:33 - “Its up to you to make your own destiny.”
1:10:50 - Self analysis and the nature of wealth
1:12:40 - Built to Last by, Jim Collins
1:13:57 - What is glory to you? Do you believe hard work to be an ingredient in glory?
1:15:45 - What is your methodology for that?
1:15:58 - The Iceman Wim Hof
Learn more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof
1:17:20 - Meditation techniques; breathing and ice baths.
1:18:34 - You like to chase world records; can you tell us which ones you are involved in right now?
1:19:00 - http://marcuskowal.com
- Timur Gareyev: http://www.blindfoldking.com
1:23:13 - How Jacob and Patrick met Andrew McGregor
Avi Roth: http://www.coffeegraph.com
Interview with coffee bar sculptor Garrett Kovacs:
1:25:50- Can you explain to our guests what chess boxing is?
1:29:55 - Patricks thoughts on chess boxing
1:30:20 - http://nightonbroadway.la
1:34:20: - Did you learn to box from George Foreman?
1:37:00 - Freddie Roach boxing trainer:
1:38:50- The methodology of doing aggressive physical exertion followed by meditation or chess
1:40:25 - Brand X Magazine with Andrew McGregor:
Last Call with Carson Daly:
1:42:30 - Chess boxings growth
1:43:57- Chess boxing started as a performance art and is now being labeled as a sport
1:46:40 - Patrick gets into depth on his outside perspective of the vessel McGregor has created by going from a violent environment, to Los Angeles and how he’s found a balance.
1:52:00 - Therapy within this sport
1:55:08 - Chess boxing being a transformative experience
1:56:15 - Looking back on all these things you've gone through, if you were to speak to your past-self what lessons would you instill in that conversation?
1:56:59 - What is next for you?
1:58:30 - Where you can find Andrew McGregor:
Ari Simon is one of those guys that runs shit behind the scenes in Downtown LA. He knows a hell of a lot about said scenes, and he has had a hand in a few different areas of local government. He is best known for his events and survey of the neighborhood, Get Downtown – a map and print publication that also has a heavy online presence and killer newsletter.
0:35 - What is GET DOWN TOWN?
• Tower Theater’s first talkie
6:15 - Ari’s involvement in DTLA - A2B
10:15 - Working with the Historic Core BID
● What is the BID?
15:35 - DTLA Perspective - The differences between then and now
○ 6th St - The most underrated street in DTLA
23:25 - The DTLA Cultural Stakeholders Group
○ The Broad comes to Los Angeles
25:07 - An Accidental Call to Action - Bringing venues together
26:53 - Eli Broad - One of the biggest art collections in the world
32:43 - The Future of DTLA
37:00 - What is Night on Broadway?
○ What is a way that we can inspire people?
42:27 - “We’re not old money, we’re young money”
44:00 - The History of Pershing Square
50:52 - Gentrification of DTLA
54:33 - What the fuck is Ari’s job?
○ Separating different projects when representing different businesses
1:03:03 - The Development of Take Me Home LA
○ What does it mean to be home in LA?
1:07:30 - Challenges faced as a curator
1:11:13 - When a creative’s performance goes awry
○ Fabric Planet
1:23:48 - What is Monkey Town?
1:24:40 - The Sponsorship Debate
○ Levi’s Commuter Space
1:37:40 What’s in your event pipeline for the history of DTLA?
1:43:50 - What would you tell your 20 year old self?
Sinziana Velicescu, best known for her much-hyped Instagram profile @casualtimetravel and curatorial efforts at Standard Vision, is an old friend and a great photographer who has truly built a career on her own terms. She also has a very real and loving relationship with her home in Los Angeles. If you are an Angeleno through and through, this is the episode for you. If you're looking for some words of wisdom on maintaining your practice in a city as big as this one, you'll also find plenty of them here.
5:30 - City of dreams - http://standardvision.com/projects/city-of-dreams-macau/
6:40 - What is your role at Standard Vision?
7:22 - Can you name some notable artists who have shown on the screens?
Video Artist: Pascual Sisto
7:55 - SV Presents: http://standard.vision/labs/introducing-sv-presents/
8:05 - AREA by Will Galperin,
8:25 - Dan Chen SV Presents
Elliot Lee Hazel - http://eliotleehazel.com/overview
Beck videos by Elliot Lee Hazel- http://eliotleehazel.com/video
12:17 - Bill Violla
13:45 - Jenny Holzer
17:05 - How do you approach listening to people within the art you create?
17:25 - Teddy Kelly mural on 8th and Los Angeles: https://www.instagram.com/p/BCJvWyeLF__/
20:35 - What software are you guys using at Standard Vision?
Transition to Photography
22:50 - Tell us how you got into photography and gained the skill of photographing architecture.
23:25 - Finding ways to photograph each shot differently.
24:25 - Being inspired as a child from LACMA’s modern art paintings.
25:40 - Children art classes at the armory in Pasadena
26:02 - Writer and art historian Cy twombly had kids make paintings for him allowing them to draw whatever they wanted, sometimes he would add to them sometimes he wouldn’t.
27:51- Sinzi adding visual puns in her photography
28:10 - What is your process?
28:25 - Exploring and capturing places that have history
29:25 - Street photography:
31:25 - Sinzi falling back in love with LA by taking moments that are usually critiqued and finding life in them.
36:21- At what stage in your career was it when you looked at your photography and realized you could sell them in a gallery?
Where was the first gallery you sold them in?
37:25 - Eliminating people from photography shots
41:25 - Elements of human interaction in Sinzis photography
42:25 - What are the cities you have loved going to recently where your work has been shown and how does it feel?
48:05 - You Are Here video recap: http://www.thinktankgallery.org/event/you-are-here/
Neema Sadeghi: http://cargocollective.com/neemasadeghi
51:08 - Are you restricting yourself to shoot only in Los Angeles?
54:09 - Vinyl mixtape monthly subscription: http://vinylmoon.co
Sinzi’s design: http://vinylmoon.co/volume012/
57:25 - Getting creative opportunities
57:53 - Building your own route around the US and getting paid to do it at http://blog.amtrak.com/amtrakresidency/
1:00 - Acid and shrooms
1:05:25 - Have you done any other road trip/photo trips?
Transition to music videos
1:06:25 - How do you define your style?
1:07:26 - Thoughts on rap music and music videos
1:09:16 - What music videos do you remember from when you were younger?
1:13:43 - The outside perception of Los Angeles and being who you want to be
1:17:05 - http://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/
1:18:07 - Do you think you’ll spend your life in LA?
1:18:34 - Sinzi’s idea to create a GPS Based app of hidden gems in Los Angeles and how it relates to the already existing Pokemon Go
1:28:38 - Do you guys have a R & D department and is there any technology you specifically want to get your hands on?
1:29:46 - Damon Martin mural artist: https://www.facebook.com/Damon.Martin.Art
1:32:30 - Do you have a general mission that builds up to something in the future?
1:33:25 - Millennia's wanting to be invested in multiple creative outlets
1:37:25 - Do opportunities come to you now or do you still seek them out?
1:38:53 - When did you feel the shift of your work and you taking off?
1:39:40 - Brandon Monk skate ramp:
1:44:25 - Jacob ghost riding
1:50:15 - Have you done any music videos where the artist does not want to be in front of the camera?
1:51:44 - How do you transition from one opportunity to the next and do you have a strategy for it?
1:54:35 - Approaching the game with “If you are not in love with the shot don’t record it.”
1:57:08 - Are there any last memorable things you’d like to share with the listeners?
Tips for new photographers: Shoot with film to limit your photos or shoot with iPhones and don’t go by the rules.
Where to find Sinziana:
Standard Vision: http://standardvision.com
Shelley Holcomb may be the best person to listen to if you’re deciding what to do with your time. For her day job she helps run the SCI-Arc brand and public program, and spends the rest of her time curating a sex show (Whits n Giggles), creating her own art and experiences for places like MOCA, and running the definitive voice in event curation across Los Angeles (Curate LA). We talk to her about the challenges of running so much dope shit, and the merits of curation in general.
Show Notes, Shelley Holcomb Real Talk Podcast
Find Shelley and her various brands here:
3:00 – Intro to Shelley Holcomb
5:37 – What is Curate LA? Things that do not fit into Curate.LA platform
6:23 – What is Whits n Giggles? Sex radio show on 1630 AM in Chinatown
9:36 – Take Me Home L.A. installations by Whits n Giggles and Think Tank Gallery
10:48 – Womb Regression Therapy
12:08 – Water drumming
13:00 – Aliens are actually our memory of doctors pulling us out of the womb, and abductions are our subconscious’ attempt to return
14:27 – Whits n Giggles Radio, difference between episode 1 and episode 50
18:25 – Whits n Giggles highlights of KCHUNG Radio sex talk show
18:48 – Mistress Lucy, artist and dominatrix
19:35 – Whits n Giggles TV
20:27 – The Handjob Show, a Wank Bank class on Whits n Giggles TV and sex coloring book
22:30 – How to hide this shit from your family
22:48 – A mukbang show, Korean trend of eating food on camera
24:25 – Sneaker destruction and sex fetishes, traumatic experiences turning into fetishes
25:47 – ASMR (autonomous sensory meridian response)
Page turning: https://youtu.be/mcyvK_SixME
28:15 – Various Small Fires ASMR soundscape
29:10 – Submitting listings to Curate LA, Curate LA’s growth, how it started
37:47 – Super sexy artists Shelby Sells and Thongria from Detroit
39:17 – The three platforms of Curate LA; website/map, app, and newsletter
43:20 – BYOB (Bring Your Own Beamer) video art show
Rafaël Rozendaal: http://www.newrafael.com/
47:00 – Getting around to painting when we have time, comparing notebooks, the merits of an alter ego
49:00 – Argument about having a pseudonym or if one’s work should speak for itself, digging up dirt on the internet, Patterson’s YouTube career, artists should own their pasts, “just make dope art and people won’t give a fuck about your past,” showing off your own art in your own curation
56:40 – Shelley’s art collection
OJ Simpson 30 for 30: http://www.espn.com/30for30/ojsimpsonmadeinamerica/
1:03:24 – How to separate your different art ventures from one another
1:12:15 – What newsletters do you follow?
1:12:42 – Galleries and artists we pay attention to
Ripping on Buff Monster: https://grammio.com/en/devintroy/_dQ-0vG0Dn/
1:19:03 – What is an artist-run space and what’s happening to them in LA? Define DIY, how Think Tank Gallery was built, Larry Gagosian starting as DIY, commercial galleries that are also DIY, sweat equity, alternative arts spaces
Podcast with Mark Schustrin: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a.r.t.-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=375908128
1:27:05 – Real Talk Photoshop Challenge
1:28:55 – Mutant Salon at the Broad
1:31:16 – Pearly’s Beauty Shop at Superchief Gallery
1:34:08 – Channeling a younger version of yourself, and giving that self some advice, should people go to college? Importance of travel, how to start your career in the arts in LA in your first two weeks here
Sarah Penna is one of our most successful and insightful friends, and her newfound motherhood has provided even more insight. She tells us about the challenges of being acquired by Dreamworks and becoming a mother at the same damn time, and drops some priceless knowledge on the reality of online content and marketing. Sarah KILLS it. Don’t sleep on this episode.
3:25 Jacob and Sarah’s relationship
5:13 Big Frame launched
9:24 Pioneering a business in YouTubers
“Let me take on the nitty gritty… you focus on creative”
10:19 Partnering with Steve Raymond
Digitour - http://www.thedigitour.com/
12:55 1st YouTuber lost to shooting
A loss of innocence
16:30 “Hey Guys”
20:22 Early days of Current
21:24 Managing Snooki and Jwoww’s YouTube accounts
24:09 Big Frame/Working with Steve Rayond
33:51 The challenges of working with talent
36:54 Income and opportunities for YouTubers- then and now
38:21 What is YouTube Red?
43:34 “Ive reached the top and had to stop, and that’s what’s bothering me”
52:34 How Vine changed the world of film making
59:27 Selling a company before 30/Becoming a mom
1:09:04 Shay Carl and Tim Ferriss podcast
1:23:34 What it means to sell a company
1:38:313 Awestruck- “We like being domestic but we’re not afraid to order takeout”
1:53:34 Why to use an influencer in brand marketing?/Evolution of brand marketing
2:00:59 Sarah’s future in new media
IG and Twitter- @sarah_penna
We don't know anyone that can sell things better than our friend Mark Schustrin. He can sell anything, really, but art is his passion. We talk to Mark about his auction company Bid27, how to get into art sales, sales techniques, and much more.
05:45 - Gertrude Stein's 27 Rue de Fleurus
Midnight in Paris
08:29 - Primary vs. Secondary Market
9:35 - Mark's backstory, auction school and culture
11:30 - Rome was auctioned off
14:05 - 2012 Championship for Auctioneers, rednecks in Sacramento, how to win auction competition
16:30 - Bid Calling
17:35 - Rap freestyling = bid calling
18:43 - Filler Phrases/bid calling example
19:43 - Reading people, Where is the line you can't cross when pushing into a sale?
21:39 - Bid calling examples, incorporating price increments
23:09 - Auctions are psychology
24:14 - Planting bidders in the crowd
25:06 - How is Bid27 different? What is a benefit auction? How do normal auctions work?
28:12 - Pulp Auction
32:09 - Introducing rising artists to auction, definition of provenance
36:10 - Protecting sellers and artists as an auction house
37:20 - Reserves on artworks, strategies in selling via auction
39:15 - Artists we have seen benefit from Bid27
42:25 - Defining value of art, sales through auction
46:32 - How to evolve the art auction experience, monetizing art in new ways, Scott Hove
48:28 - "Gucci old maid" - Make a photoshop of this and win a pin
49:43 - Yozmit the performance artist from DBA, "doubling" a lot
52:02 - Performance art piece auctioned at the Think Tank
57:00 - Art Share LA
57:57 - Mural Conservancy of LA
58:20 - Sales is sales is sales, how to get into sales, science of sales
The Closers 2
Glengarry Glen Ross
Wolf of Wall Street
1:00:45 - Tips for making sales in art
1:02:15 - How to approach someone for a sale, is everything sellable?, selling things you want to believe in
1:04:34 - Break Bread sales of Scott Hove for huge piece, following up with buyers and staying happy
1:08:15 - Auction sales vs. gallery floor sales, building taste profiles for buyers to offer them more stuff that they like, capturing info for followup
1:12:40 - Being comfortable or uncomfortable in high art setting, LA Art Show, Mars rover
1:16:40 - Bid spotters, ring men, the art of mediating between auctioneer and audience, yelling "yes!" in the crowd, entry point to the auction world
1:18:45 - Closing out the art sale, upselling, pre-bidding, absentee bidding
1:22:47 - Buyer's premium, "underwriting the auction"
1:24:32 - Mark Schustrin at 20 yrs old to now
1:26:00 - Everything is sales even explaining ideas, the idea of closing, Pitch Anything, pitching sponsorships
1:28:28 - Appraisal of art, formal vs. informal appraisal, USPAP, Donald Trump University vs. UCLA, document certifying value of a piece for insurance or sale
1:32:45 - Hauser Wirth & Schimmel, Jeffrey Deitch come to LA
1:33:45 - How to find Bid27 and apply as an artist
There are few in this world that can teach you more and in a more accessible way than our longtime friend Eric Kim. Personal stories, street photography techniques, lifestyle improvements... the list goes on in this jam-packed and giant podcast with the biggest street photography blogger in the world.
11:09 Eric’s Photography of his own wedding
12:46 Thoughts on whether photography gets “in the way of the moment?”
13:07 Project Grandfather
15:34 Eric Kim’s Background Story/ Bio
28:18 You are Here: Think Tank’s First Ever Show
29:17 Alex Coghe
32:19 Kim’s definition of Street Photography & How to approach subjects on the street for permission to be in photo
34:18 what makes a great street photograph
37:21 Lessons of the day
38:06 Horror Stories of Street Photography
47:49 Project Suit
50:58 Tip No. 3 If a undercover cop pulls out badge : swing .
51:12 Andre Carte Busan 50 mm camera shot
Eugene Augie “The decisive moment”
52:27 Description of 35 mm camera shot
52:56 40 mm camera
56:16 Definition of creativity
56:43 Street Sociologist
57:59 as someone who has tasked themself with the prospect of teaching have you forced yourself to become an expert?
59:08 William Eggleston
59:32 Jackson Pollock
1:00:50 Gary Winogrand
1:01:01 Ebook 100 Lessons from the Masters of Street Photography
1:01:12 Unlearning what you have learned
1:01:38 Cold Train Quote "Learn every single rule of the genre of music you make and break them."
1:01:56 Takes on Social Media. Making art that makes you happy vs what will make people happy.
1:03:47 Jacob Patterson Youtube
1:04:05 Patrick’s experience on doing art for ones self vs for money
1:04:50 David Lynch Catching the Big Fish
1:05:34 Headspace App for Meditation
1:06:32 Victoria Starraro apocalypse now
1:06:50 Vicotiro Starraro Color Book
1:07:23 Flam Festival
1:09:49 Advice on writing and as a teacher how do you teach around clichés.
1:09:54 Rinzi Ruiz; Street Zen
1:10:54 On Writing by Stephen King
1:12:54 App I- Writer
1:12:54 App Write Room
1:16:54 twee definition
1:07:54 Charlie Kirk Street Art photographer “Two cute dogs”
1:17:48 “Ikea street photography”
1:18:54 To be a good photographer you can’t be boring
1:18:54 Beginners tip: copy all the masters, then kill them.
1:19:54 Jiro Dreams of Sushi
1:25:47 Shoot a Cop Think Tank
1:25:50 Kim’s feelings on Instagram and Iphones and how they have changed his world
1:28:55 Kim’s feelings on open sourcing his images
1:31:14 Winner takes all photography market
1:31:34 Nassim Taleb; Barbell Method.
1:35:39 General Assembly Classes
1:37:44 Secrets of our success by Joseph Henry
1:39:34 Anti Fragile by Nassim Taleb
1:40:55 Walter Issacson biography on Einstein
1:41:07 Walter Issacson biography on Steve Jobs
1:43:30 Ricoh GR Camera
1:44:06 Eric Kim’s Principles of Life
1:44:41 How to survive as an influencer while allowing oneself to step away from social media
1:44:43 Bruce Lee
1:51:14 Google SEO definition
1:53:16 Dark Horse concept, being great not for what you do but for what you don’t do
1:55:39 How to be a better photographer
1:55:55 Strategizing of Flow state
2:00:06 Software Stay Focused
2:01:17 The Odessey; Siren Passage
2:01:58 Morning Rituals
2:07:39 Evernote checklist
2:08:45 How to keep on top of everything while traveling
2:16:15 Kim explains how wife Cindy one of his biggest influencers
2:17:32 Sinzy Casual Time Travel
2:19:42 Personal Photography
2:22:10 Kill your darlings Faulkner..?
2:23:19 Each Production should be a sandcastle
2:23:49 Coffee Graph Avi Rolph & Garet Kovasc
2:27:48 CHALLENGE photoshop handbook of missed quotes by Eric Kim
2:28:14 Kobe letter to 18 year old self
2:29:04 Advice to What would you tell your 18 year old self
2:32:03 Ray Dalio
2:32:55 Trump “if your white anything is possible”
2:33:34 Advice on college
2:35:13 Only thing worse than sociology is history
2:36:40 Eric Kim sites:
For the very first episode we have recorded as we figure out how to run a podcast, Think Tank Gallery welcomes Matt Dorado of Drunken Devil Productions as he plans his next event this Halloween. This podcast has more of an interview feel than the others but there is plenty to pick up if you're planning to start hosting your own events.
06:18 - Show with Super Chief: L’Enfer: An Infernal Discotheque at
Superchief Gallery in DTLA. Super Chief Gallery
06:38 - Website for The Drunken Devil Co.
07:10 - Description of The Drunken Devil
08:14 - Disco Party backstory/ Matts Beginnings with Event Production
11:44 - Hueman
11:49 - Grant Yoshino Artist Decoded
12:46 - Background of Matts first event
16:03 - Noah Proscenium/ no proscenium podcast
16:46 - Experiential/ immersive art
17:24 - Goal of Drunken Devil
18:23 - Experience with Alone
18:52 - Description of Alone
20:21 - Alone’s influence on Dorado and Drunken Devil
20:39 - Lawrence Lewis
20:46 - Black Magic Creative Arts
23:36 - Experiential difference between haunted group events and an event like Alone
26:15 - Interim party at Super Chief Gallery
26:23 - Art Walk Burlesque Magic Show: L’Enfer: An Infernal Discotheque at
Superchief Gallery in DTLA.
28:42 - How to push/ advertise an event like Drunken Devil. Elements to consider when creating an event like this.
32:37 - How much of plans are defined before starting on an event
34:20 - Dorado’s Future Plans
36:36 - Best practices for receiving sponsorship
38:14 - In kind sponsorship
41:27 - How Dorado’s LA Opera marketing job has lent it self to work in
44:54 - Favorite LA Opera Initiative: Aria Young Professionals
47:33 - Next Drunken Devil Party: Witches Ball
48:43 - The Bob Baker Marionette Club
49:13 - Matt Scott & his Marionettes
52:13 - Advice Matt gives to his younger self
55:26 - How to trim ideas to “realm of possibility and not over extend oneself”
59:14 - How to decide what to put on the chopping block in Event Production
1:02:22 - Marketing vs Event production. Advice on marketing
1:07:11 - How to segment funds for marketing
1:10:11 - Social media marketing: Facebook and Instagram
1:14:11 - The Drunken Devil Instagram and website
Think Tank Gallery is stoked to reach you on a new level. Join us in our freshly built podcast studio as we get ready for some dope shit.