We've mentioned the trip that manifested DS&WC at Think Tank Gallery, the show that brought our gallery back into our old venue, but we haven't discussed the process of putting it on. Hundreds of people were involved in producing this massive arts and events series, and four of them sit down after breakfast to smoke a few bowls and talk about it in this episode. If you came to the show you'll love hearing what went into it, and if you didn't you'll love hearing our host's best friends ruthlessly mocking him for a couple hours. Long one but good one. 

5:40- Intro

https://www.instagram.com/drinkinsmokinwestcoastin/

https://drinkinsmokinwestcoastin.com

6:08- Dino Art Director of DSWC

https://www.instagram.com/nunquamdormio

Danny Heidner Experience Designer of DSWC:

https://www.instagram.com/dannyheidner

Andrew Production Lead of DSWC:

https://www.instagram.com/abars

Jacob Bitch of DSWC:

https://www.instagram.com/jmjpatterson

8:51- What do you guys recall form that crazy month?

10:19- Dino gives a recap of Drinkin Smoking West Coastin

11:46- A group love hate letter to LA

11:58- What is this city?

12:06-Ghost Ship fire in Oakland

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/oakland-ghost-ship-warehouse-deadly-fire-gallery-1.2901036

http://www.laweekly.com/arts/in-the-wake-of-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire-popular-downtown-gallery-think-tank-has-been-forced-to-close-8043495

12:59- Listen to Season 2 Episode 0 of A.R.T Artist Real Talk “WTF happened to Think Tank Gallery”

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000401286128

19:16- Stephen Linsley

http://stephenlinsley.com/

19:26- Ray Young Chu of Ray Mart

http://www.rayyoungchu.com/

20:06- Whitney Bell

https://www.instagram.com/kidd.bell

https://kiddbell.com/

http://www.laweekly.com/arts/dick-pic-art-show-i-didnt-ask-for-this-has-a-powerful-anti-harassment-and-sex-positive-message-8714873

21:06- Danny talks about the biggest challenge of the show

21:39- Watch the video of Jacob and Danny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Ki14G6sKY

24:14- Check out more of Ray Mart:

https://www.instagram.com/StartYourCartwithRayMart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDsBapD-1Ss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxgfGykxXDY

27:15- Andrew goes into detail on the original idea of Ray Mart

27:46- Bloody Gums

https://www.instagram.com/bloodygums

28:06- INPUT Nano leafs installation

30:16- Andrew talks about his time and setting up his instillation for Blood Gums

30:38- LA is still trying to kill me being a smaller version of the bigger show in Chinatown “LA Is Trying to Kill me at Lei Min space.

http://www.lataco.com/preview-la-trying-kill-bloody-gums-pop-show-lei-min-space-april-1st/

33:30- Jacob goes over the two things they didn't use in the show

39:16- Watch the Think Tank x Weed Maps video with Ray Young Chu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_9GUwVv1nM

other video?

https://weedmaps.com/

42:46- http://www.laweekly.com/arts/drinkin-smokin-and-west-coastin-is-a-love-hate-letter-to-la-8511955

45:36- Barfly written by Charles Bukowski

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092618/

47:01- Jacob talks about all the good and bad of LA “love hate letter to LA”

47:40- Andrew talks about his part of the show for Bloody Gums

48:24- www.eboy.com

https://www.instagram.com/eboyarts

48:31- https://www.instagram.com/gangsterdoodles

https://gangsterdoodles.myshopify.com/

48:52- Larsen Sotelo

https://www.instagram.com/larsen_sotelo

http://www.larsensotelo.com

49:21- Jacob talks about not being from LA

49:53- Sinzi

https://www.sinzianavelicescu.com/

https://www.instagram.com/casualtimetravel

Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk episode 6 with Sinzi Velicescu:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000378456518

50:26- The truth about LA

53:20- Dino goes into detail about the colors he chose for DSWC

56:56- http://ecosetconsulting.com

1:03:10- https://www.instagram.com/homelesscop

http://homelesscop.com

Commissions: jason@HomelessCop.com

1:08:03- Dino talks about the retail side of DSWC

1:14:25- Jacob talks about not sleeping and the pressure that came along with the show

1:19:36- Jacob forgetting to put Danny on the list

1:20:25- Elsa Monroe

https://www.instagram.com/hellsuh/

https://www.etsy.com/listing/517809363/knowledge-is-a-weapon-patch

1:22:26- Graffiti book release party

1:28:16- Stephen Linsley

http://stephenlinsley.com

1:34:58- People thinking the vans shoes in the show were “free.”

1:43:39- Little Face Events

https://www.instagram.com/littleface_events/

http://www.littleface.events

1:47:04- Dino talks about the making the DMV promo tickets and leaving them on random cars

1:54:26- Jacob talks about being sponsored by Playboy and the hidden arcade

1:59:34- What was your favorite event?

More coming

The last big show that was thrown with the Think Tank was a confusing one, for many reasons. Firefly Productions tricked the Think Tank into producing it, the Think Tank tricked its audience into attending it (#District798), and the actors tricked guests in every way shape and form. By the end, people even thought the weed was fake while they hit it. This show was described as a "mindfuck" by the media, and it encapsulated that word in every way. Whether you caught or missed the show, or caught the show but missed huge chunks of it (we don't blame you), this interview with Steph and Steven of Firefly is a crash course on how to give a viciously original take on priorly used content. Producers will love this episode. Artists will too.

Steven Klein and Stephanie Barnes from Firefly

https://www.facebook.com/FireflyTheaterFilms?ref=ts

https://twitter.com/fireflyinc

http://steven-klein.blogspot.com/

7:31- District 798

http://www.fireflyinc.com/caught/

8:00- Jacob tells Steven and Steph to give an intro about the last show Firefly and Think Tank have done

More about ‘Caught’ at District 798

http://www.fireflyinc.com/press/caught/

9:10- Steven goes into detail about what Caught is

12:33- http://lamama.org/

http://lamama.org/caught/

Read about what people thought about Caught at La Mama

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/theater/review-its-the-audience-thats-captured-by-caught.html

14:53- Director Ed Sylvanus Iskandar

http://www.ediskandar.com/bio/

https://www.broadwayworld.com/los-angeles/article/BWW-Interview-Ed-Sylvanus-Iskandar-Gets-CAUGHT-At-The-Think-Tank-Gallery-20171101

16:20- Who did the rehearsal process?

16:48- Caught being an immersive show and not in a theater

19:43- Did you guys hire an immersive company? Was it Ed’s company?

20:10- More of Tommy Honton

http://tommyhonton.com/

https://twitter.com/angelalansburyd

Listen to the Artist Real Talk Episode 17 with Tommy Honton

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2#episodeGuid=4a7dc10479207f5f9e9389bb5dd6e68a

20:33- A lot of immersive theater is associated with horror in LA

21:43- Building a world around theater that is Immersive

24:08-  Stephen Gifford the set designer of Caught/District 798

http://www.stephengifforddesign.com/

28:28- Staff and actors hiding to watch how the audience reacted to the show

29:08- Stephanie and Steve go over the order of the show

30:27- Reactions from theater crowd vs art crowd

30:50- At what point did you approach me in the ideation process; early or right at the end?

31:23- Who was involved in the early stages?

32:39- Had you already discussed whether the gallery would be in on the joke or not before meeting us?

36:00- Jacob talks about the challenges

36:20- Liquor sponsors backing out because they didn't want to compromise relationships from China even though the show wasn't real.

36:42- https://meowwolf.com/

40:57- Stephanie talks about the post show lounge

46:37- “Is this a gallery or a theater?”

47:39- Full Length Play

http://www.samuelfrench.com/catalog/search?author=Christopher%20Chen

58:38- Stephanie talks about how the ticketing process was the most challenging part of the entire show

59:20- Jacob tells Stephanie and Steven to share the difficulties within making the show

1:01:23- Generating group sales

1:02:28- How do you market Caught/District 798

1:02:48- Creating an element of exclusivity and an element of getting approved

1:05:08- Five words to describe yourself and five words people would use to describe you

1:07:21- Jacob, Stephanie and Steven talk about how there needs to be an Immersive ticketing service that is customizable.

1:09:51- The ability to text characters from the show

1:11:33- Making sure the whole audience feels like one unit

1:12:45- Then She Fell

http://www.thenshefell.com/about/

1:15:20- Steven goes into detail about how instead of feeling betrayed the audience felt safe

1:17:22- Jacob asks Steven and Stephanie, “how many productions have you done in front of a live audience?

1:18:07- The audience had a different energy every night. How wide was the shift from one night to the next, from one week to the next in our show; compared to other live productions you guys have done?

1:22:50- Steven talks about how the people with an Asian background seemed more relaxed vs the white audience who wasn't sure if they could laugh or if it was offensive.

1:25:40- Jacob asks, “was there a difference between the Fridays and Saturdays since some nights were alcohol and some were weed?”

1:26:28- Noah Nelson:

https://noproscenium.com/

https://twitter.com/NoProscenium

Check out Artist Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000379844107

1:27:23- The talk back

1:31:15- Jacob asks, “what did you learn about the audiences who were coming to the talk back based on them thinking the show was over?

1:36:53- Moving the audience in different environments to dictate how they are supposed to behave

1:38:34- Rafael Hayashi:

https://www.instagram.com/rahayashi

http://www.rahayashi.com/

Teddy kelly:

https://www.instagram.com/teddykelly/

https://teddykelly.com/

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-et-cm-caught-christopher-chen-theater-review-20171107-story.html

1:40:53- Jacob describes Steven in one word

1:43:03- What’s next?

1:45:23- Stephen Gifford the set designer of Caught at District 798

http://www.stephengifforddesign.com/

‘Caught’ starred:

Louis Ozawa

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1559194/

Jackie Chung:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2086965/

Jessica Kaye:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2991901/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Steven Klein:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1635832/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Eston Fung:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3029513/

Chrstine Lin:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2374936/

Stephanie Barnes:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4043581/

Peter Wylie:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1174557/

The immersive company included Alexis Colianni, Carlo Figlio, Gray Gall, Stacia Marcum, Katie May Porter, Rebecca Rufer, and Alice Victoria Winslow.

Lighting Designer Derrick McDaniel

https://thisstage.la/artist-profile-derrick-mcdaniel/

Project Designer Jeffrey Teeter

https://theater.calarts.edu/programs/design-and-production/program-faculty/jeffrey-teeter

Sound Designer Crickets Myers

http://www.cricketsmyers.com/

Costume Designer Halei Parker

http://www.haleiparker.com/

Assistant Director Garrett Baer

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5142370/

Stage managed by Amanda Bierbauer, and the Assistant Sound Designer was Kelly Aburto

In association with:

Vs Theatre

http://www.vstheatre.org/

Steven Klein

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1635832/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Stephanie Barnes

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4043581/

Natalia Duncan Macker

http://www.mackerforwyo.com/

Think Tank Gallery

https://www.instagram.com/thinktankdtla/

http://voyagela.com/interview/meet-jacob-patterson-think-tank-gallery-transient/

https://thinktank.gallery/

1:46:36- Jacob asks Steven and Stephanie to close out by talking about the opening of the show

Listen to some drunken (or in Noah's case punchdrunk) conversation between host Jacob Patterson and friends after wrapping up Noah's inaugural Immersive Design Summit. IDS 2018 brought together hundreds of creators, producers, and developers from all over the world who work in the quickly emerging world of immersive entertainment. Fields within this genre range from virtual reality to theatre to ASMR, and if any of this stuff interests you, be sure to check out the No Proscenium podcast or ask Jacob for an invite to the Everything Immersive private Facebook group. Hit us up on Instagram to chat, and enjoy our most off the cuff episode to date. 

6:00- Intro

Noah Nelson:

https://noproscenium.com/

https://twitter.com/NoProscenium

Check out Artists Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000379844107

Tommy Honton:

http://tommyhonton.com/

https://twitter.com/angelalansburyd

6:24- First Immersive Design Summit

http://immersivedesignsummit.com/

7:28- Tom Pearson: Third Rail Projects Co-Artist Director

http://www.thirdrailprojects.com/about/#abouthecompany

http://www.thenshefell.com/directors/

8:09- Then She Fell

http://www.thenshefell.com/

Sleep No More

https://mckittrickhotel.com/sleep-no-more/

8:45- Jacob asks Tommy and Noah for advice on what he should do at Sleep No More

12:24- Art Basel 

https://www.artbasel.com/miami-beach

12:58- Jacob asks Tommy, “What was your overall lesson learned from the summit?”

14:20- Olivia Cueva

 oliviacueva.co

14:50- https://noproscenium.com/

https://twitter.com/NoProscenium

22:50- Noah explains how people heard about the Immersive Design Summit

24:42- Jacob asks, “What would say were the categories of attendees?”

26:50- Noah explains how they made conscious choices to make sure that this was an inclusive event

27:43- “What did you think of the town hall portion?”

30:47- Asking the audience, “what was the thing you saw that made you re-think your work?”

31:45- Tommy running into a scavenger hunt and finding a riddle when he was younger

33:46- When did you know there was a professional world of immersive entertainment?

37:44- When Tommy first experienced immersive experiences 

38:43- Tommy reaching out to companies asking if he could work for them even if it's for free

39:30- Andrew McGregor:

http://www.mightykingdrew.com/

https://twitter.com/mightykingdrew

Listen to episode #8 with Andrew McGregor

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000378956175

40:52- Tommy and Noah meeting for the first time an informational interview 

43:08- Tommy and Noah ending up in a surprise meeting with the city of Los Angeles for permitting 

45:43- Vince Meow Wolf

https://meowwolf.com/author/vince/

47:03- Read more about Candytopia and Happy Place and why they got shut down here:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/candytopia-happy-place-exhibitions-temporarily-close-la-1069964

https://www.timeout.com/los-angeles/blog/happy-place-is-l-a-s-latest-selfie-inspiring-pop-up-111817

http://abc7.com/business/happy-place-candytopia-pop-up-galleries-shut-down-by-la-city/2800918/

47:53- http://www.mama.gallery/

49:01- https://www.museumoficecream.com/

http://the14thfactory.com/

http://thetensionexperience.com/

52:20- Why did we not discuss the selfie palaces or the Ghost Ship?

Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/what-happened-exactly-in-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire

54:57- “Tommy did you feel like it was missing from the conversation?”

57:05- Vince

https://meowwolf.com/author/vince/

Justin Fix 

https://scarela.com/speakers/justin-fix/

http://www.thewillowsla.com

57:22- Noah's opinion on discussing different business challenges with opening up a venue and needing the city on your side. 

58:03- Sara Thacher

https://www.disneyresearch.com

58:34- The institute 

http://www.theinstitutemovie.com/

1:02:54- https://twitter.com/Jessedamiani

1:04:33- What was the moral of the story on that panel?

1:07:50- Budgets and rates

1:10:11- You have to make yourself valuable to the project

1:10:10- Nova Han

http://novahan.com

1:10:50- Jacob asks Noah, “What other panel did you moderate?”

1:13:54- Check out the Carne Y Arena exhibit at LACMA

http://www.lacma.org/carne-y-arena#landing

1:15:08- Tommy what was your favorite moment at the Immersive Design Summit?

1:16:16- Diana Williams Content Strategist, Lucasfilm’s Story Group

https://www.ilm.com/ilmxlab/

Colin Nightingale Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International

https://www.punchdrunk.com/

1:17:14- Curtis Hickman Chief Creative Officer & Co-Founder, The Void

https://www.thevoid.com/

1:17:44- Christ Hickman THE VOID: Creating The Illusion of Reality 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebwtq1HZJ2A

1:22:47- Jacob goes into detail about his favorite part at the summit

1:23:14-  Melina Lauw Co-Creator, Whisperlodge

https://whisperlodge.nyc/

1:27:00-Serial Killers and Immersive theater

1:27:37- Summarizing Sara Thacher

https://www.disneyresearch.com/

1:28:55- How did you guys feel about Sara’s speech?

1:35:24- Final wishes for Immersive Design Summit 2019

1:37:45- http://www.serialkillerspeeddating.com/

http://www.abelhorwitz.com/

1:39:58- Tommy Honton:

http://tommyhonton.com/

https://twitter.com/angelalansburyd

http://themuseumofselfies.com/

1:40:32- Noah Nelson:

https://noproscenium.com/

https://twitter.com/NoProscenium

https://www.facebook.com/groups/everythingimmersive

http://immersivedesignsummit.com/

https://twitter.com/designimmersive

1:41:35- Jacob Patterson 

https://www.instagram.com/jmjpatterson

https://thinktank.gallery/

https://www.instagram.com/thinktankdtl

We're back! It's been a while since A.R.T. has posted an episode of our podcast, and a lot has happened in the interim. If you read between the lines (or read the "farewell letter" we published online after the LA Weekly story last year), then you know a bit of what happened, but our host Jacob Patterson takes a moment in this episode to break down what happened and where we're at because of it. If you don't give a damn and want to hear inspiring creators talk about how they're changing the world, skip this one and head over to the first full episode of Season 2 with the CEO of Meow Wolf. 

0:18- What has happened to Artists Real Talk?

1:14- Check out the last episode recorded on Artist Real Talk

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000381750912

2:38- Why Think Tank stopped hosting the podcast, and what happened between season one and season two

3:47- Art Director Dino @nunquamdormio

3:52- Jacob’s assistant Elsa @hellsuh

4:00- Sleep No More immersive show in New York

https://mckittrickhotel.com/sleep-no-more/

5:34- What happened to Think Tank Gallery in general

6:00- LA Weekly following the think tank story

6:16- Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000379211211

6:30- Scott Hove

https://www.facebook.com/cakefangs/

http://cakefangs.com/

https://www.instagram.com/scotthove/

6:37- Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/what-happened-exactly-in-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire

6:55- LA Weekly

http://www.laweekly.com/arts/in-the-wake-of-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire-popular-downtown-gallery-think-tank-has-been-forced-to-close-8043495

7:02- Think Tank’s Farewell letter to DTLA

https://thinktank.gallery/farewell

7:30- Jacob goes into detail about what happened to Think Tank Gallery, what is 939 studio and what is Think Tank gallery doing next.

8:45- Scheduled inspections at Think Tank

10:33- Trap house event

http://www.laweekly.com/event/trap-house-la-opening-night-7434673

12:23- Eviction notice

13:00 Think Tank creating a community a system where a community can run

16:57- Ammon Rost

http://ammonrost.com/

18:02- Re branding / splitting the brand

19:47- Think Tanking only hosting rentals

20:25- Moving from DIY to “do it right” the difference between doing it yourself and doing it correctly so that it could live in its highest potential.

23:14- Cleaning up Think Tank to start renting it out

24:38- Does Think Tank have a social responsibility to re-sign the lease?

25:05- Drinkin’ Smokin’ West’ Coastin’ event

https://drinkinsmokinwestcoastin.com/

26:49- Dino the art director of Think Tank, stepping up and helping in inspiring ways.

28:40- Jacob explains how he had to take off his creator hat and put on his business man hat to looking at things more objectively.

31:11- Details about 939 Studio is an event rental site now, when someone wants an artistic collaboration they hit up think tank and from there they will decide if they will pitch it to 939 studio.

33:00- How Think Tank stopped wasting time pursuing things that couldn't be profitable enough to exist and started thinking outside the box

33:45- Think Tank’s event Legal Goods

https://thinktank.gallery/youarehere3/

Read more about it here:

https://creators.vice.com/en_us/article/4x9g79/think-tank-la-diy-show-convict-ex-convict-artists

34:03- You are here ll Shoot a cop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0CkCcvorZ4&feature=youtu.be

34:35- http://www.laweekly.com/arts/in-the-wake-of-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire-popular-downtown-gallery-think-tank-has-been-forced-to-close-8043495

https://thinktank.gallery/farewell

35:34- Listen to the podcast where Phil America pitches the Legal Goods idea

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000380950233

Phil America:

http://philamerica.com/

Instagram @philamerica

36:03-  https://www.juxtapoz.com/news/installation/a-gallery-built-inside-a-los-angeles-swap-meet/

36:25- Jacob explains what Legal Goods was about

36:30- Greg Escalante

39:00- Selling art from convicts in Legal Goods

40:05- Bonita swap meet is located at 620 S Alvarado St, Los Angeles, CA 90057

40:03- How a lot of people got offended about a couple white dudes doing this event and the backlash that came from it

42:19- Check out videos of Jacob hanging out with children during the Legal Goods pop up:

https://instagram.com/p/BTNkNa1DHsF/

https://instagram.com/p/BTQE4RNj0of/

42:29- Legal Goods Zine

https://thinktank.gallery/dswc/legal-goods-zine

42:48- Learning about the neighborhood through the children

43:22- Why Legal Goods was an important show for Think Tank

44:59- DSWC Group art show - a testament to LA

https://drinkinsmokinwestcoastin.com/

47:40 Check out the book Built to Last Successful: Habits of Visionary Companies

https://www.amazon.com/Built-Last-Successful-Visionary-Essentials-ebook/dp/B0058DRSHW

48:40- Meow Wolf giving Think Tank a grant

https://meowwolf.com/

https://twitter.com/MeowWolf1

50:14- Scott Hove

https://www.facebook.com/cakefangs/

http://cakefangs.com/

https://www.instagram.com/scotthove/

51:15- Drinkin Smokin West Coastin - Group love hate letter to LA

https://drinkinsmokinwestcoastin.com/

51:54- How Jacob came up with the idea for DSWC

Read what people had to say about Drinkin’ Smokin’ and West Coastin’

http://www.laweekly.com/arts/drinkin-smokin-and-west-coastin-is-a-love-hate-letter-to-la-8511955

http://dola.com/events/2017/8/19/drinkin-smokin-west-coastin-a-group-love-hate-letter-to-la

http://www.lataco.com/drinkin-smokin-west-coastin-lovehate-letter-l/

59:42- Whitney bell

https://kiddbell.com/

59:59- Whitney’s Dick Pic show

http://www.laweekly.com/event/i-didnt-ask-for-this-a-lifetime-of-dick-pics-8694867

1:00:57- https://www.broadwayworld.com/los-angeles/article/Fully-Immersive-CAUGHT-to-Make-LA-Premiere-at-Think-Tank-Gallery-20171009

http://www.fireflyinc.com/caught/