A.R.T. Artists Real Talk

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Feb 14, 2018

New York's "Sleep No More" is probably the most successful piece of immersive theatre of all time. But there are thousands of moving parts to this magical machine. Guest Cesar Hawas likes to describe the parts of this creative ecosystem as just that, magic, but there are tons of insights to how an arts company can get such an expensive building and keep it running and profitable. Cesar talks about the more ethereal parts of Sleep No More (run by the production company Emursive) and all of the inspiration that surrounds it at the McKittrick Hotel in our first remote episode recorded outside of California. 


5:55 - Cesar Hawas


6:01-  The Lodge at the Mckittrick Hotel


7:34- When and why The Lodge opened




10:05- What are the different experiences you can have in the McKittrick Hotel?


12:53- Creating complicated experiences


13:36- Film VS Broadway and theater 


13:53- Have you done any productions on the West Coast?


14:51- Cesar talks about working on Broadway


15:08- Did you go to theater school?


17:39- Cesar goes into detail about acting


18:28- What was the first moment that you discovered Immersive theater/entertainment? 


21:43- Cesar goes into detail about Sleep No More and why it is powerful


22:10- Noah Nelson:


Check out Artist Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:


24:23- The Queen Marry


27:53- Jacob asks Dino (Think Tank Creative Art Director), “when was the first time you were exposed to Immersive Art?”


29:26- What have you been hearing about Star Wars Land?




33:03- Sleep No More’s intention


33:43- How many times have you seen the show?


35:33- Cesar talks about one of the powerful aspects of Sleep No More




Sara Thacher Walt Disney Imagineering Research & Development


40:25- Dino shares his experience at Sleep No More


42:13 Is there any sort of guidance that you guys give on this? 


43:31- Jacob’s worst fear




45:41- Cesar discusses following the narrative and the correlation between McBeth and Hitchcock


48:35- Jacob explains how he is happy with his choice of not reading MacBeth before Sleep No More


49:18- Is this the second time the show has been mounted; because it also happened in London.


49:25- Cesar breaks down the history of Sleep No More


52:20- Sleep No More’s audience 


52:44- Cesar and Jacob touch on how there is no dialogue in Sleep No More which making it easy for people of every language to experience and enjoy


54:36- The most exciting aspect of Sleep No More

55:22- Supercinema at the McKittrick Hotel


Supercinema - Clue


Supercinema - Wizard Of Oz


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57:52- Jacob touches on how being a host is a difficult task




1:02:47- Inclusiveness 


59:09- The Universe is a Small Hat Trailer:


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1:04:02- Jacob asks Cesar if they survey people about their experience at Sleep No More


1:08:03- Does the art direction or improvisation of Sleep No More change at all or has it been the same for years?


1:10:11- The Heath


1:11:28- Gallow Green




1:15:11- Colin Nightingale 

Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International


1:17:28- How big is the team that is programming ancillary spaces?


1:18:46- Sign up for mailings for upcoming events at McKittrick Hotel


1:19:07- Marketing 


1:19:46- Cesar touches on how they haven’t spent any money on advertising 


1:23:24- How has the High Line affected the show or has the show affected the High Line?


1:25:05- How involved is Punchdrunk?



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