Scott Hove is an artist whose primary medium is perspective. He has manipulated his art viewers psychologically and literally for decades, and his work is more poignant than ever. He asked our hosts to sit down and talk as Bay Area natives about what the recent Oakland fire means for DIY, artist-run, and under the radar spaces for creation, and make some plans for the future. This is a heavy episode and one with a lot of potential action on the other end, but also one of our most broad discussions. We hope you enjoy it and contact us if you have any interest in learning more about permitting with us and addressing our community's needs with us.
4:30 - Intro to Scott Hove
6:30 - https://www.facebook.com/heronarts/
Find more details on Scott Hove’s upcoming show in San Francisco on January 15th here:
8:45 - Explain to people who have never seen your work before? What is cake land?
11:00 - http://www.thinktankgallery.org/breakbread/
12:40 - Patrick, if you were to give a break down on what you see in cake land what would that be?
15:20 - ISIS Cake: http://laluzdejesus.com/littletopia-2015/hove_welcome-home-islamic-state/
17:40 - The Think Tank receiving hate mail from upset people from Scott Hove’s unique pieces of art.
18:50 - Patricks thoughts on losing followers from art shows or events.
21:45 - As an artist have you adopted the “can’t please everyone mentality,” or have you had this mentality since day one?
22:30 - Scott Hove’s thoughts on paying attention to pop culture
23:30 - Scott Hove’s personal aesthetic
24:50 - Recycling and repurposing old design
25:00 - Dieter Rams:
26:19 - “Master your instrument, Master the music, and then forget all that bullshit and just play.”” - Charlie Parker
26:50 - Salvation Mountain:
28:24 - How to pronounce Scott Hove
29:31 - Reflecting on Break Bread: http://www.thinktankgallery.org/breakbread/
What do you remember about break bread? What do you look back on fondly?
30:10 - Check out Keith Bakerson’s Ice cream truck Installation here:
See more of Keith’s work on his Instagram:
32:15 - http://samwohl.com
34:10 - http://www.standardvision.com
35:10 - The power of an image
35:20 - https://www.cirquedusoleil.com/
35:45 - More about Scott Hove’s cake gallery in Oakland
36:49 - What lead you to design your first cake?
39:12 - Scott Hove explains how he was feeling more violent than beautiful and it impacting how he now uses light and dark in his art.
40:55 - Scott Hove gets into the injuries he has witnessed while working on tug boats and how working with tough guys has opened his eyes and balanced him..
45:20 - Barley surviving financially Scott Hove makes the choice to quit his secure job and throw all his energy into his art.
47:00 - Patrick, what was it like for you to quit your job and commit to what you love doing?
49:15 - Patricks thoughts on being committed to change
50:15- Consequences of your decision
52:00 - http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/us/oakland-fire-city-budget-cuts/index.html
52:20 - DIY Art spaces
55:30 - Jacobs thoughts on building safety rules and regulation
56:03 - Patricks experience and the sequence of someone getting a space and not understanding rules and regulations
57:50 - Scott Hove’s thoughts on managing an artist space and knowing the rules and regulations
58:30 - Enriching communities with art
1:00:30 - Scott Hove explains how Think Tank has made a program to make it easy for artist run spaces to work with the city to get proper permitting and Jacob explains the thought process behind it in more detail.
1:02:30 - Artist’s starting by throwing a party and seeing how they can get away with it before looking into rules and regulations
1:03:40 - Risking safety for art
1:04:30 - Scott Hove’s thoughts on how Think Tank is set apart from other spaces because of their knowledge and basic concept of stability plan
1:06:30 - The complications of getting permits and the dedication it takes
1:09:10 - What do you think people need to look into when they first start a venue or pop-up?
1:13:00 - https://www.la2050.org
1:013:30 - How the Think Tank pitched their grant to LA2050
1:15:00 - Artist’s sharing information about the rules and regulation going into creating a venue that is safe
1:16:55 - Fuck you Dave Brooks!
1:17:45 - Jesse Damiani:
1:18:50 - Martin Shkreli:
Vice Documentary: http://documentaryheaven.com/an-interview-with-martin-shkreli/
1:20:34 - Martin Shkreli breakfast club interview:
1:22:10 - Scott, you have worked and lived in unregulated DIY warehouses/spaces- what were your first ones like?
1:23:30 - Andrew McGregor: http://www.mightykingdrew.com
1:25:10 - The Think Tank exploring the world of expanding to different cities
1:25:40 - How many of these unregulated spaces did you live in?
1:26:10 - Did you have your own gun?
1:26:25 - Scott Hove shooting a refrigerator in the hood
1:27:30 - Artist run spaces in Oakland
1:29:40 - What do we require from law enforcement to make dangerous situations more feasible?
1:30:45 - Patricks thoughts on how the city needs to have resources and or someone with the time to talk about regulations etc.
1:33:55 - http://www.spaceintheraw.com
1:36:30 - DIY spaces being a target in the eyes of LAPD
1:37:00 - Viewpoint from the LAPD’s perspective
1:38:00 - Why it is important to go through a permit process when throwing an event/party
1:40:20 - Scott, what do you want to see moving forward in Oakland and here in LA?
1:43:30 - Scotts thoughts on how people and cities need to take responsibility and how artists need to take responsibility for their own safety
1:44:50 - Take an inside look on what Ghost Ship was before the fire:
1:46:44 - Looking back at your 20 year old self what advice would you give?
1:47:55 - What were the methods you employed looking back that dispelled the fear of caring what people think?
1:48:30 - Free yourself of what people may think
1:49:00 - Do you feel as if psychedelics and other substances have been important to your growth as an artist and individual?
1:49:30 - Mushrooms helping artists and opening their eyes by stepping outside and connecting to nature
1:51:55 - Are you making some kind of claim or promise to the universe that this is your duty?
1:52:30 - Connecting with the universe and it helping with your goals and statements
1:53:30 - Jacob talks about his shroom trip; his vision of what was possible became greater.
1:54:20 - Scott Hove talks about the terror of mushrooms, how the fear of taking them is a direct reflection from facing the reality of what life really is. He believes it’s important to welcome fear by facing their own mortality in a brave way; art being one of them.
1:56:00 - “Give the fear a place to live,” and It’ll go through you.
1:56:30 - Jacob tells a story about him and Scott in the desert taking shrooms, setting up tents, communicating to the gods, and sitting in bushes.
2:00:30 - “Stop and remember how powerful you are.”
2:01:30 - Patrick’s thoughts on psychedelic drugs and how he believes it is sacred moment when taking them
2:04:30 - Where you can find Scott Hove:
00:00 - Introduction to Andrew McGregor
6:14 - http://www.mightykingdre w.com
7:30 - Who is Andrew McGregor?
8:20 - http://www.laweekly.com/news/andrew-mcgregor-from-journalism-to-chessboxing-4640242
9:11 - Chess Boxing: Chess boxing is a hybrid fighting sport that combines the two traditional sports, chess and boxing. The competitors fight in alternating rounds of chess and boxing.
9:57 - Give a little back story on how your path brought you here to Los Angeles and Chess Boxing..
13:40 - Do you ever look at these moments in your life and think there is something more like you are a chosen one?
14:10 - Photo journalist James Nachtwey:
Photos taken live on 9/11
15:01 - How far along the spiritual spectrum do you fall in your beliefs?
15:36 - New age and self justifying without a root
16:50 - How McGregor conducts himself by reducing suffering, increasing joy and creating a benefit during every interaction.
Philosopher Epicurus learn more here:
18:41 - Habituation and discipline
19:26 - How do you put yourself in a mental place where you can commit yourself to so many different projects without comprising any of them?
21:30 - How do you stay focused when doing research in a field you’ve never studied in before?
23:30 - Task based motivation, “If you don't know what you cant do the sky is the limit.”
24:20 - Robotics
26:38 - Robot film festival
26:47 - http://hivegallery.com
27:20 - More about Andrew McGregors short film:
27:35- Apopo is an organization that has a vision to solve humanitarian problems with detection rats technology learn more at https://www.apopo.org/en/
30:00 - McGregor’s prototype robot:
31:00 - Problems and solutions creating this robot
31:50- At what point did you think this fake robot in an imaginary world could actually be real?
32:40 -Robotis artist http://ianingram.org/bio.html
33:30 - Robotic Squirrel:
35:15- “Let’s do something awesome with our gifts; desire.”
35:41 - What advice would you give those who are intrigued to do something they know nothing about?
38:10 - Do you approach these conversations with your prior accomplishments at hand?
39:00 - Do you think almost being killed has contributed to your outlook and unleashed fearlessness?
40:20 - Being focused and having integrity will allow you to do anything you want
40:40 - Expanding on the times McGregor has almost died.
Does your philosophy help you with approaching women?
42:50 - Patricks thoughts on war, soldiers and how life works.
44:50 - Ted Haler Poem called "first tour" (can not find)
45:40 - https://www.amazon.com/WAR-Sebastian-Junger/dp/0446556246
45:45 - Veterans “thank you for your service.”
47:03 - Andrew McGregor’s Photo journalism career
47:20 - How did you come across this industry (photojournalism)?
47:30 - Travel photography, moving to different countries and learning new languages.
48:40 - http://framework.latimes.com/2015/03/29/rick-meyer-wins-lifetime-achievement-award/#/0
49:15- How photojournalism ties in with seeking the world
50:15 - Patricks thoughts on making an impact
51:35- At what stage did you decide that your purpose on this world was philanthropic?
52:15 - http://www.mightykingdrew.com/tiziano-project/
54:20 - A bad year in Los Angeles turning into a good summer in Berlin.
54:40 - McGregors thoughts on “do you view yourself as an employee or an employer..”
56:33 - Tell us what the Tiziano project is
learn more about the Tiziano project here: http://tizianoproject.org
58:17- The intimate and beautiful photos McGregor received back after letting a community use his camera.
59:15- Local perspective
1:00:10 - Erik Kim http://erickimphotography.com
1:00:48- You have a belief that every single group of human beings in the history of mankind has a story teller; have you found that to be true?
1:03:25 - How did you get introduced to Tedx- what did you talk about and what was the response?
1:03::48 - http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/TEDxUSC-Andrew-McGregor-Citiz-2
More Tedx talks with Andrew McGregor:
1:04:20 - Non-profit organization https://www.toastmasters.org
1:05:32 - Was public speaking an intimidating process for you and how did you approach that?
1:06:30 - Remembering the benefits of your public speaking and what is a stake
1:07:10 - Are you afraid of anything?
1:07:45 - You have a very busy lifestyle do you prioritize ensuring that you are able to go out and meet up with friends or call people? How have you nurtured these relationships outside of business?
1:09:33 - “Its up to you to make your own destiny.”
1:10:50 - Self analysis and the nature of wealth
1:12:40 - Built to Last by, Jim Collins
1:13:57 - What is glory to you? Do you believe hard work to be an ingredient in glory?
1:15:45 - What is your methodology for that?
1:15:58 - The Iceman Wim Hof
Learn more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof
1:17:20 - Meditation techniques; breathing and ice baths.
1:18:34 - You like to chase world records; can you tell us which ones you are involved in right now?
1:19:00 - http://marcuskowal.com
1:20:20 - https://www.amazon.com/Blindfold-Chess-Psychology-Techniques-Champions/dp/0786475269/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1481493818&sr=1-1&keywords=blindfold+chess
- Timur Gareyev: http://www.blindfoldking.com
1:23:13 - How Jacob and Patrick met Andrew McGregor
1:23:31 - http://www.thinktankgallery.org/coffeegraph/
Avi Roth: http://www.coffeegraph.com
Interview with coffee bar sculptor Garrett Kovacs:
1:25:50- Can you explain to our guests what chess boxing is?
1:29:55 - Patricks thoughts on chess boxing
1:30:20 - http://nightonbroadway.la
1:34:20: - Did you learn to box from George Foreman?
1:37:00 - Freddie Roach boxing trainer:
1:38:50- The methodology of doing aggressive physical exertion followed by meditation or chess
1:40:25 - Brand X Magazine with Andrew McGregor:
Last Call with Carson Daly:
1:42:30 - Chess boxings growth
1:43:57- Chess boxing started as a performance art and is now being labeled as a sport
1:46:40 - Patrick gets into depth on his outside perspective of the vessel McGregor has created by going from a violent environment, to Los Angeles and how he’s found a balance.
1:52:00 - Therapy within this sport
1:55:08 - Chess boxing being a transformative experience
1:56:15 - Looking back on all these things you've gone through, if you were to speak to your past-self what lessons would you instill in that conversation?
1:56:59 - What is next for you?
1:58:30 - Where you can find Andrew McGregor:
Ari Simon is one of those guys that runs shit behind the scenes in Downtown LA. He knows a hell of a lot about said scenes, and he has had a hand in a few different areas of local government. He is best known for his events and survey of the neighborhood, Get Downtown – a map and print publication that also has a heavy online presence and killer newsletter.
0:35 - What is GET DOWN TOWN?
• Tower Theater’s first talkie
6:15 - Ari’s involvement in DTLA - A2B
10:15 - Working with the Historic Core BID
● What is the BID?
15:35 - DTLA Perspective - The differences between then and now
○ 6th St - The most underrated street in DTLA
23:25 - The DTLA Cultural Stakeholders Group
○ The Broad comes to Los Angeles
25:07 - An Accidental Call to Action - Bringing venues together
26:53 - Eli Broad - One of the biggest art collections in the world
32:43 - The Future of DTLA
37:00 - What is Night on Broadway?
○ What is a way that we can inspire people?
42:27 - “We’re not old money, we’re young money”
44:00 - The History of Pershing Square
50:52 - Gentrification of DTLA
54:33 - What the fuck is Ari’s job?
○ Separating different projects when representing different businesses
1:03:03 - The Development of Take Me Home LA
○ What does it mean to be home in LA?
1:07:30 - Challenges faced as a curator
1:11:13 - When a creative’s performance goes awry
○ Fabric Planet
1:23:48 - What is Monkey Town?
1:24:40 - The Sponsorship Debate
○ Levi’s Commuter Space
1:37:40 What’s in your event pipeline for the history of DTLA?
1:43:50 - What would you tell your 20 year old self?
Ari can be found in DTLA, NYC, Paris, Berlin, Mexico City... or http://getdowntown.la and http://instagram.com/getdowntown.la
Sinziana Velicescu, best known for her much-hyped Instagram profile @casualtimetravel and curatorial efforts at Standard Vision, is an old friend and a great photographer who has truly built a career on her own terms. She also has a very real and loving relationship with her home in Los Angeles. If you are an Angeleno through and through, this is the episode for you. If you're looking for some words of wisdom on maintaining your practice in a city as big as this one, you'll also find plenty of them here.
5:30 - City of dreams - http://standardvision.com/projects/city-of-dreams-macau/
6:40 - What is your role at Standard Vision?
7:22 - Can you name some notable artists who have shown on the screens?
Video Artist: Pascual Sisto
7:55 - SV Presents: http://standard.vision/labs/introducing-sv-presents/
8:05 - AREA by Will Galperin,
8:25 - Dan Chen SV Presents
Elliot Lee Hazel - http://eliotleehazel.com/overview
Beck videos by Elliot Lee Hazel- http://eliotleehazel.com/video
12:17 - Bill Violla
13:45 - Jenny Holzer
17:05 - How do you approach listening to people within the art you create?
17:25 - Teddy Kelly mural on 8th and Los Angeles: https://www.instagram.com/p/BCJvWyeLF__/
20:35 - What software are you guys using at Standard Vision?
Transition to Photography
22:50 - Tell us how you got into photography and gained the skill of photographing architecture.
23:25 - Finding ways to photograph each shot differently.
24:25 - Being inspired as a child from LACMA’s modern art paintings.
25:40 - Children art classes at the armory in Pasadena
26:02 - Writer and art historian Cy twombly had kids make paintings for him allowing them to draw whatever they wanted, sometimes he would add to them sometimes he wouldn’t.
27:51- Sinzi adding visual puns in her photography
28:10 - What is your process?
28:25 - Exploring and capturing places that have history
29:25 - Street photography:
31:25 - Sinzi falling back in love with LA by taking moments that are usually critiqued and finding life in them.
36:21- At what stage in your career was it when you looked at your photography and realized you could sell them in a gallery?
Where was the first gallery you sold them in?
37:25 - Eliminating people from photography shots
41:25 - Elements of human interaction in Sinzis photography
42:25 - What are the cities you have loved going to recently where your work has been shown and how does it feel?
48:05 - You Are Here video recap: http://www.thinktankgallery.org/event/you-are-here/
Neema Sadeghi: http://cargocollective.com/neemasadeghi
49:09 - http://www.thinktankgallery.org/breakbread/
51:08 - Are you restricting yourself to shoot only in Los Angeles?
54:09 - Vinyl mixtape monthly subscription: http://vinylmoon.co
Sinzi’s design: http://vinylmoon.co/volume012/
57:25 - Getting creative opportunities
57:53 - Building your own route around the US and getting paid to do it at http://blog.amtrak.com/amtrakresidency/
1:00 - Acid and shrooms
1:05:25 - Have you done any other road trip/photo trips?
Transition to music videos
1:06:25 - How do you define your style?
1:07:26 - Thoughts on rap music and music videos
1:09:16 - What music videos do you remember from when you were younger?
1:13:43 - The outside perception of Los Angeles and being who you want to be
1:17:05 - http://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/
1:18:07 - Do you think you’ll spend your life in LA?
1:18:34 - Sinzi’s idea to create a GPS Based app of hidden gems in Los Angeles and how it relates to the already existing Pokemon Go
1:28:38 - Do you guys have a R & D department and is there any technology you specifically want to get your hands on?
1:29:46 - Damon Martin mural artist: https://www.facebook.com/Damon.Martin.Art
1:32:30 - Do you have a general mission that builds up to something in the future?
1:33:25 - Millennia's wanting to be invested in multiple creative outlets
1:37:25 - Do opportunities come to you now or do you still seek them out?
1:38:53 - When did you feel the shift of your work and you taking off?
1:39:40 - Brandon Monk skate ramp:
1:44:25 - Jacob ghost riding
1:50:15 - Have you done any music videos where the artist does not want to be in front of the camera?
1:51:44 - How do you transition from one opportunity to the next and do you have a strategy for it?
1:54:35 - Approaching the game with “If you are not in love with the shot don’t record it.”
1:57:08 - Are there any last memorable things you’d like to share with the listeners?
Tips for new photographers: Shoot with film to limit your photos or shoot with iPhones and don’t go by the rules.
Where to find Sinziana:
Standard Vision: http://standardvision.com