A.R.T. Artists Real Talk

It's been a long time coming, and Think Tank Gallery is proud to announce the release of our first podcast series! We've teamed up with some of our favorite artists, producers, directors and more to catch a deep glimpse into what it takes to turn an artistic vision to reality. We have been honored to work and be friends with some of the most inspiring people in LA and across the country, and for the last few weeks we have been bringing a grip of them into our new podcast studio to have some chill conversations over a beer or three. Join us in our freshly built podcast studio as we get ready for some dope shit.
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Apr 18, 2018

Allison is a very well-known Bay-to-LA (and back) street artist, having been featured on the cover of LA Weekly's People of the Year issue, Juxtapoz Magazine, and many other places. She's also navigated a wide variety of career situations that have informed her work. For our season finale, host Jacob Patterson stopped by her new house in Oakland to chop it up. Warning: we say "hyphy" and "hella" wayyyyyy too many times in this episode. 


8:17- Is San Jose the bay area or not?


8:57- Which part of Oakland are we in?


10:32- The Bay responding to the Ghost Ship fire


Read more about the Ghost Ship fire:


13:20- Vince CEO Meow Wolf



15:31- Why did you decide to come back to the bay?


17:08- Jacob ghost riding a car


17:25- Andrew bloody gums




Allison Hueman:


20:33- Drinkin Smokin West Coastin




21:23- Why move back to the bay?


22:06- Hueman talks about being homeless




26:52- Hueman talks about how she misses collaborating with people in Los Angeles


28:28- Hueman x Hyperlimbo


Hueman explains what Hyperlimbo means to her


31:31- What do you usually do on your drive from Oakland to LA?


34:04- From UCLA to The Brewery


35:03- Housing at Think Tank


35:57- What was it like at The Brewery?


39:16- Hueman talks about her experience with art and work


39:56- Hueman and legal issues 


42:40- Did you go to school for painting or design?


44:06- John Cena


44:56- Hueman talks about taking a video game design course


46:15- Monkey Island


47:19- What kind of things do you do to gather inspiration?


47:52- Larry King By,


49:28- Other Peoples Property by Jason Tanz,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch


49:41- LA Weekly Shuts Down Abruptly


52:57- Humans last design gig being for Playboy


53:03- Were things turned around by then or were you still broke?




54:57- Jacob talks about Playboy spitting sex positive feminism 


55:59- Whitney Kidd Bell


Read more about the Dick Pic Show:


58:34- Hueman talks about when she started doing murals 


1:01:32- Jacob talks about what he used to paint 


1:04:31- What kept Hueman from doing murals for years


1:06:42- Art Major






1:12:08- Ritual show by Hueman


Ritual show (teaser)


1:12:55- Hueman explains what the Ritual show was


1:13:36- Why it was called ritual


1:13:44- Jarell Perry






Brandon Monk


1:15:53- Built to Last by Jim Collins


The 50th Law by 50 Cent


1:16:48- The Room


The Disaster Artist


1:18:51- Hueman asks Jacob about the different colors he uses in his organizer 


1:21:36- Hueman touches on her “ritual”


1:23:09- Jacob talks about writing his to-do list


1:25:41 Jacob talks about how important “Coffeegraph” was


Recap on Coffeegraph:


1:26:25- Dino Nama


1:36:16 When did you realize you could do art full time and how did you balance it with commercial art?


1:37:16- Huemans trip to Europe


1:38:20- How do you curate commercial art opportunities?


1:38:32- How do you know when to say yes and when to say no?


1:41:31- Commissioned work 


1:44:23- Are your murals usually always commissioned?


1:44:44- Hueman talks about getting a grant


1:46:35- Do you have anything big coming up that you could talk about?


1:46:41- What do you want, if you could imagine what you see yourself doing within the next five years?

1:52:51- Hueman touches on what tools someone needs to be an artist


1:56:11- Where to find Allison Hueman:

Apr 5, 2018
Heidi Johnson has been putting the coolest art and events in front of the hippest people in LA for decades. In this episode she breaks down where PR and management cross over, how much of this stuff artists should be doing for themselves, and when it's time for you to get a manager. She also lets us in on some secrets of how to get your shit covered by the press. There's a lot of name-dropping in this episode, but every story is peppered with many years of wisdom, and by the end Heidi takes muthafuckas to school so don't miss the second half of this episode. We also share stories on the late Juxtapoz co-founder Greg Escalante since Heidi was one of the people closest to him in his final years. RIP Greg.

6:10- Can you talk about the new stuff you are doing with Corey Helford?




9:16- Scott Hove


12:06- Heidi talks details about herself and her mom Monica Johnson who was a screenwriter and novelist


18:26- Heidi talks about talent management and PR in the entertainment industry 


20:27-  Heidi talks about working on Renaissance Man (1994)


21:44- Being an assistant for Penny Marshall


23:38- Lillo Brancoto


A Bronx Tale Directed by Robert Di Niro


24:32- What are press junkets? 


26:01- Heidi talks about Entertainment PR




30:49- Learning how to deal with clients




32:27- Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode #24 with Creative Director Maca


37:31- Define what a publicist is




42:31- Engelbert Humperdinck


43:38- Heidi talks about signing a contract with Engelbert


44:31- Pitching to the Grammys 


45:53- Do artists often say no when you have a big idea that can be huge?


47:36- Jacob talks about what Heidi taught him with, “finding the story.”


48:43- When did you start Hijinx?


50:46- Robbie Conal










52:19- GRRL Scouts video




54:51- PR and relationships


55:16- Beyond The Streets


56:16- Art Basel


56:46- Heidi talks about her mom passing away weeks prior to Art Basel 


1:00:02- Working in LA


1:00:41- Allison "Hueman"


1:01:31- The Brewery Art Colony


1:02:10- Hold Up Art Gallery




1:09:25- How do you judge the feeling of what you should be doing vs what you shouldn't be doing?


1:10:14- Heidi talks about following her gut 


1:12:01- What is a manager and why is it useful to have one?


1:14:25- Are managers taking a percentage of everything you make or only off the projects you bring?


1:16:18- Heidi talks about what a manager should do for you– bringing rates up and getting your needs met


1:18:52- If someone is considering managing what kind of things do they need to be thinking about as they step into that new role?




1:20:56- Teddy Kelly


1:20:56- Heidi explains how working with friends is hard






1:28:46- Bobby Moline-Kramer


1:28:04- Annie Terrazzo


1:28:41- Heidi talks about being around to see social media emerge 


1:30:20- List building


1:31:46- Heidi talks about how important social media is


1:37:26 -


1:37:35- Odd Nerdrum




1:40:06- Greg Escalante


1:41:50- Corey Helford




1:45:35- Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk with Phil America


1:49:06- Heidi talks about how Greg Escalante has been remembered 




1:55:06- Do you have a four or five year path with the LA Art show that you guys are trying to build together?




2:00:26- Do you think this is something artists could do on their own without hiring a publicist?


2:01:46- Heidi suggestion to smaller galleries putting out press releases 


2:03:26- Where to find Heidi Johnson

Mar 29, 2018
Maca rode some wild waves while Quest Nutrition jumped to the billion dollar company range, as he built one of the world's best art departments. Part of that was hiring Dino Nama, who is now Think Tank Gallery's Art Director. The two reminisce on what it took to operate on such a level, the difference of running smaller and more mobile design agencies, and break down wtf an art department even is. They also have a lot of inside jokes (just warning you). By the end of the episode we discuss what it would take to really build perfection in a design agency or art department. 
7:00- Jacob obsesses over this. Srsly read it. He hasn't played Halo in seven years and still obsessed over
Also this is the JRE #999 with Quest Nutrition Co-Founder:


10:00- Dino explains who Maca is and why they brought him to the podcast


10:20- Intro to Maca


10:55- Quest


11:20- Dino goes into detail about Maca being his mentor and what he taught him


13:13- “Your success does not end at 5pm.”


16:06- Maca explains what he does 


16:22- Orcv creative director


16:40- The idea of a creative director 


20:11- How many teams have you been on? What is the range of sizes on those teams?


21:22- Dino explains what Quest is


21:59- Maca talks about when he joined Quest


23:45- Looking at Quest through the surface 


26:25- Jose Prada


28:03- Dino at what point did you come in? How many people were there?


28:39- What Dino did before Quest


30:38- University of Long Beach


34:50- Maca talks about his and Dino’s passion projects




36:02- Tony Robins


Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk




39:15- What was the goal for the file project? What would audiences consume?


42:28- Jacob talks about taking on a sales role


43:10- Stance socks




45:29- How would you separate the ideas of art and design 


47:52- Design is a problem solving tool that utilizes art


48:10- Story time with Dino 


51:50- Dino talks about being a FAKE vegan


56:05- What kind of art did you make before you tried going to college


1:00:05- Sweaty Betty directed by Joseph Frank and Zachary Reed


1:03:57- What does it mean to want to become a designer? What are the things that you need to learn?


1:05:07- Understanding how to carefully craft an image


1:05:33- Did you teach yourself photography?


1:06:47- Eric Kim


Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk with Eric Kim


1:08:59- Hueman


1:11:12- Photography— working without equipment 


1:12:55- Jacob asks Dino, what kind of art were you making before hand and have you kept it up?


1:14:29- Dino talks about painting in high school and doing photography in college


1:17:10- Jacob talks about when he used to market himself on social media


1:17:45- Mastery by Robert Greene


1:18:22- Do you feel artwork informs your professional creativity career or do you feel guilty that you have to set your artwork aside to focus on the other jobs you have?


1:20:44- Compromising vs Sacrificing 


1:21:07- One of the ways you express your creativity is with allowing yourself to find fulfillment in the tasks you are doing by day 


1:25:20- Guilt and trading your time for money


1:25:52- If you had to give advice to someone on how to make their day life fulfilling what would it be?


1:28:08- How did Quest end and how was it fulfilling enough to keep you there?


1:31:03- Define what you mean by the number one art department in the world


1:33:51- Describe to me what the greatest art department in the world would consist of


1:34:11- Maca talks about what will make a great art department 


1:36:00- The creative director needs to understand the vision


1:37:31- How can you have more than one creative director?


1:38:45- Waypoint Vice Magazine - Halo


1:41:25- How are different departments that are all design departments, all split up?


1:42:03- Co creative directing


1:43:00- Copy writers 


1:43:22- Jacob talks about his first marketing job


1:44:14- What is the shift in mindset as you start to grow as a company, taking on more clients


1:44:35- What is the change in mindset to go from a agency that has one creative director to having two?


1:47:21- What does a creative director do?


1:51:05- What is CMO?


1:44:08- Creative Hierarchy


1:51:32- Jacob asks Macs, “what is a design director?”


1:52:05- Jonathan Iva


1:53:06- What are the different things it would take if we are building the ideal agency?


1:58:13- When you envision orcv in thirty years, do you have any products that you guys are selling?


1:59:43- When you started this agency, did you have a philosophy for the brand?


2:00:55- Built to Last by Jim Collins


2:01:35- Maca goes into detail about his story and mission for orcv




2:05:09- How do you structure that mission?


2:06:33- Jacob talks about how studying Art History helped him


2:08:35- Dino talks about looking at Think Tank in the future


2:09:40- Think Tank being more involved with the community


2:12:45- Jacob asks Maca, “do you feel like it is your job to educate clients when they come to you?”


2:20:40- Debbie Millman design matters



Where to find Maca:


Where to find Dino:
Mar 21, 2018
Yoshino has been a professional photographer in LA for a long time, and during a rut in his personal life and art practice, he started a podcast to re-inspire himself. That podcast is now one of the bigger arts podcasts in the world, and he has built a career and company out of it. In true Yoshino style, he flips the interview and gets host Jacob Patterson to open up about some personal topics and open relationship beliefs he's never shared in public. 

6:03- Are you editing your show yourself, or do you have someone else doing it?


7:05- Jacob talks about interviewing people


8:04- Do you have a starting point when you are getting ready to interview somebody?


9:45- Have you been intimidated to interview anybody?


11:04- Yoshino talks about how much research he does prior to interviewing people


12:26- Check out Yoshino’s podcast Artist Decoded


12:37- Trump Rally Sean Dunne


Check out Artist Decoded Episode #45 with Sean Dunne


15:12- Psychedelic experiences


17:30- Jacob talks about his psychedelic trip


19:40- Scott Hove


Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:


28:32- Do you take psychedelics in a ceremonial way or celebratory way?


31:02- Annihilation with Natalie Portman directed by Alex Garland


33:04- Sphere Directed by Barry Levinson


35:10 Jacob talks about how he respects Yoshino for the way he into films with respect and thought


36:02: Yoshino talks about how he has a deep respect for writers and directors of film


36:38- Eyes Wide Shut Directed by Stanley Kubrick





39:40- Yorgos Lanthimos


40:20- The Killing of a Sacred Deer


The Lobster


41:06- David Lynch


41:19- Twin Peaks


42:07- Jacob talks about the first time he realized he wanted to be an artist


43:57- Jacob talks about selling sandwiches for lunch when he was younger


47:41- Yoshino asks Jacob one of the strangest things he’s been asked on a first date


51:49- Yoshino goes into detail about wanting to start a relationship podcast


53:29- Yoshino asks Jacob what makes you want to be in open relationships? 


1:05:59- Rebelling against a Christian background


1:07:27- Jacob talks about his new mindset with current relationships


1:08:31- Jealousy Vs Compersion 


1:10:05- Chris Ryan


Sex At Dawn


The Ethical Slut

1:12:57- What are you working on now, besides the podcast?


1:13:12- Yoshino goes into detail about his podcast and how he met his partner


1:14:34- Norberto Rodriguez


1:14:41- Quite Mornings event at MOCA


1:17:01- Do you guys have a contract?




1:19:21- What things do you do for music festivals?


1:20:09- how do you as a producer support Justin when he takes on another project?


Justin Hopkins


1:23:45- Artist representation 




1:25:43- Meow Wolf


1:30:40 Are you taking commission on sales from these artists?


1:30:55- Do you guys get a cut when you get them show with other people?


1:31:32- Do you promote everything they are doing, always?


1:32:37- How do you make sure your bills are paid every month?


1:33:52- Jacob talks about what is in store for Think Tank in the next few months


1:36:10- Immersive Arts Festival


1:38:10- Nova Han


1:38:55- The Chronicles of LA


1:41:33- Yoshino talks about the vaseline photo sculptures he makes and explains what that entails 


1:44:00-Jacob talks about Dinos role at Think Tank


1:44:55- Phil America


1:46:22- Museum of sex Female Gaze


1:50:46- Yoshino gives a recap of what to expect from Nohwave


1:51:59- Artist Decoded


1:52:17- Why does Artist Decoded exist? Why do you want it to continue to exist?


1:53:35- Are you going to keep your hour long episodes structured?

Mar 14, 2018
cARTel has done many things in the almost-decade that they've been shaping the experiential arts scene in LA. They've hosted fort parties, galaxy art shows with Bill Nye, giant sponsored activations, and been served a cease and desist by Coachella. The latter comes midway through the story of one of the largest and longest running DIY festivals in SoCal, fka Brokechella. Now called BrokeLA, it opens next month and has partnered with Spaceland Presents and the Regent for Anna's first year as the company's CEO. We dive deep into such an evolution, and also nerd tf out on some permitting stuff. This episode is a creative producer's playground.

Permitting survey:


11:40 - intro ends/interview begins


12:10 - How did you find your way into permitting?


13:15 - Intro to Anna 


13:24 - Did you come from the aesthetic side?


14:10 - Anna talks about cARTel, acting, staging and then combining them together.


15:05 - Visual art 


15:55 - Anna buying miller highlife at 19 and dropping the glass bottles from her balcony 


16:15 - Anna talks about Theater and the US Davis theater and dance program


17:05 - Why didn't you go to Berkeley instead of UC Davis?


17:55 - Bay to LA hate


19:11 - How was it being in a college town?


20:02 - Do they have production classes at Davis? How did you find yourself on the production side?


20:50 -


22:00 -


23:45 - Anna talks about her intern work at Deaf West


24:00 - Switched at Birth


26:00 - Brokechella


27:41 - Explain what Brokechella / Broke LA is


Check out what LA Weekly has to say about Brokechella:


29:56 - Was cARTel still called cARTel at that point?


30:30 -


30:24 - In ten years what did you picture yourself to be doing?


31:14 - Was there a theater element in Broke Beast? 


32:30 - Family Forest Theatrical Event


34:56 - YOU ARE HERE ll: Shoot a Cop 2013


36:47 - How as this presented? How many people made stuff?


37:38 - Anna talks about Brokechella becoming really successful 


40:20 - Do you have specific strategies to be introspective and make sure year by year the event is being honest for the audience?


42:50 - Deviant art


45:45 - Jacob talks about how he started as a YouTuber


46:29 - Listen to last seasons episode with Sarah Penna on business, and the economy of online content:


47:20 - How much has Brokechella grown?


47:30 - What was it at, at year three?


47:56 - When did you start implementing sponsors? 


48:33 - Jacob talks about Think Tank being sponsored by Lagunitas and how much they support art events


49:54 - Anna talks about Lagunitas supporting Brokechella and affiliate shows

49:15 - What kind of questions do you ask vendors on your surveys?


52:28 - Anna talks about asking the musicians what it felt like on their stage and if the production team was responsive


53:40 - Break Bread recap


53:59 - Scott hove:


Bakers Son:


55:50 - Have you had big important people to the fest drop off because they expected it to go in a different direction? 


58:59 - Anna talks about lighting installations 


1:00:27 - When did you start to transition from purely collective to more corporate structure? 


1:01:50 - Sexy Sax Man


1:02:53 - Adopting a business structure


1:05:19 - Oakland Ghost Ship Fire


1:06:35 - Do you have different verticals or is it all one thing now called cARTel agency?


1:07:12 - Fort exhibit by cARTel (2011)


1:09:24 - Galaxy: Science Art Party by cARTel (2012)


1:10:40 - Do you enjoy absorbing the energy of the audience?


1:11:51 - Jacob talks about not being able to chill out at parties 


1:13:43 - Oakland Warehouse safety coalition


1:13:54 -


1:16:23 - Why do permitting at all?


1:20:45 - Los Angeles permitting being disparate 


1:24:30 - Westminster** London permitting:


1:28:06 - Jacob talks about the cops coming in with squad cars and helicopters crashing an event


1:31:46 -


1:34:00 - Art Walk Wrongful Death Lawsuit Settled


1:46:05 -


1:46:09 - We couldn’t find any legit baby exorcisms :( please send them to us


 1:46:53 - The Happy Place




1:47:29 - Dino Nama:


1:51:26 - Tommy Honton:


Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 17 with Tommy Honton


1:53:50 - Anna talks about an Immersive project that is in the works– challenging and inverting dreams


1:55:24 - Jacob touches on the theme park industry


1:58:51- Why haven’t you started working in the theme park industry?


2:01:16 - Meow Wolf


Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 16 with Meow Wolf


Afterlife with cARTel at Angel City Brewery


2:03:28 - Sleep No More


02:05:00 - Cesar Hawas:




Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 18 with Sleep No More


2:07:15 - How do you make sure to stay true to learning experiences at your events while also focusing on getting the (at times) nearly impossible stuff done that it takes to throw a party? How do you make sure you have that content in there?


2:08:22 -


2:12:10 - Dinosaurus art event by cARTel


2:12:15 - Jacob touches on 939 Studio 


2:12:55 - Ecoset:


2:13:51- Burning Man


2:14:09 - Overnight festival at Joshua Tree


2:16:34 - Anna talks about being involved with Burning Man and running shifts


2:16:55 - How does something like Burning Man exist?


2:17:03 - EDC


2:22:07 - Stash House Escape House


2:24:54 - Have you seen sphere?


2:25:46 - What do you want in the future for cARTel and Broke La?


2:27:43 - Anna touches on things she wants for the permitting world


2:29:56 - What should people look out for with Broke LA? Why should they go? How can they go?


Where to by tickets:


2:31:47 - What makes it different now that you have the Regent for a couple days?


2:33:32 -



Mar 7, 2018
Katie Carita Partlow of Little Face Events has changed the way that Los Angeles perceives cannabis events. Recognized by such now-household names as Weedmaps and Rolling Stone, Katie is the go-to personality in the weed industry to get a finely tuned message across in an artistic way. She's been called the "Best Pot Party in CA" (Rolling Stone) and she has her sights set high on 2018. If you're interested in doing anything artistic with Mary Jane this year, this podcast episode is the place to start. 

6:46- Katie Partlow (Little Face Events)


5:53- Katie explains what Little Face Events is


7:06- When did you start this? 


14:09- Were you doing events before that?




14:49- Art Share LA


15:15- How long have you be in LA? Were you doing events anywhere else before you came here?


15:43- What caused you to make the jump from performing to throwing events?


18:49- Katie talks about trying to find the vibe she wanted after moving to LA.


23:21- Do you feel like burlesque has applied to your production life?


26:21- Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 20 to hear more about Drinkin’ Smokin’ & West Coastin’


26:39- Katie talks about bad experiences with smoking, and micro dosing. 




30:36- How did you get a show at ArtShare as one of the first things you’ve done?




33:46- When did you become dedicated to cannabis? 


36:37- Check out Little Face Events “The Afternoon Delight


39:23- Have you seen any plans for any ongoing restaurants that are introducing cannabis?


41:02- Recreational dispensaries 


42:58- Do you focus on making them accessible for beginners or is it a natural side effect to making your events comfortable?


44:20- How have your events had to change as this legal grey area has contracted over and over again during the years of you hosting these cannabis events?


49:09- Does it sound like they are enforcing this rule?


49:34- Have you talked to any authorities on the matter; or mainly lawyers?




51:31- Why do you take away peoples phones?


54:25- Do you come from a long line of potheads or are you the first one?


55:23- Katie talks about her dad being arrested for selling drugs to the U.S Air Force


59:24- Katie gets interrogated by a guy in a ski mask


1:02:53- Jacob talks about when he caught a case


1:04:18- Jacob asks Katie how her mom felt about her getting arrested 


1:06:21- Jacob going to anger management for unrelated crime


1:09:20- What is it about cannabis that you decided to dedicate a large portion of your to it?


1:11:31- What is your criminal record now?


1:14:01- People say we should not be rejoicing cannabis being legal when there are people in prison for it still. Do you have any plans to address that issue at all?


1:15:36- Katie talks about how she is looking for people who are dedicated to helping people who are incarcerated for weed-related charges






Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:


1:19:47- Is there an active social change going on to re-name marijuana into cannabis? 


1:20:46- Have you found people who are pushing to help people who have Marijuana crime record?


1:23:36- Jacob talks about Katie’s events representing freedom 


1:23:40- Students for sensible drug policy


1:24:16- How many events have you done now? 


1:26:24- Alanna


1:27:20- Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 20 for a recap of DSWC’


1:28:56- When I approached you to be chief cannabis officer for Drinkin’ Smokin’ West Coastin,' what did you think?


1:28:56- Wake and Bake with Roscoe’s


1:29:48- Read what LA Weekly had to say about Cannabis Cabaret


1:31:46- Did you want to theme it after cannabis prohibition?


1:32:42- Why Cannabis in your events?


1:33:16- Katie talks about wanting to take her events to different places




1:35:46- How do you get media like Rolling Stone and Leafly to come to your show?




1:37:31- Check out what LA Weekly had to say about Little Face Events Honey Trap


1:44:34- What is on the horizon for you?


1:44:51- Katie talks about wanting to do a fair event


1:45:54- What kind of people are you looking to partner with for something like this?


1:46:26- Tre Borde




1:48:46- Katie talks about permits for cannabis onsite consumption on fairgrounds 


1:49:36- Jacob talks about the benefits of having a cannabis fair


1:51:21- What is more immediate than that? Do you have more afternoon delights coming up?




1:53:02- Tommy Honton


Listen to Artist Real Talk episode with Tommy Honton & Noah Nelson



1:53:48- How can people find you and get into your events?


Mar 7, 2018

#repost! We took this episode down to make a crucial cut. If you heard it the first time, enjoy it again cuz it's that good! If you missed it, here's your chance to listen to the world's hottest immersive arts company spin gold through their CEO.

Feb 28, 2018

We've mentioned the trip that manifested DS&WC at Think Tank Gallery, the show that brought our gallery back into our old venue, but we haven't discussed the process of putting it on. Hundreds of people were involved in producing this massive arts and events series, and four of them sit down after breakfast to smoke a few bowls and talk about it in this episode. If you came to the show you'll love hearing what went into it, and if you didn't you'll love hearing our host's best friends ruthlessly mocking him for a couple hours. Long one but good one. 


5:40- Intro


6:08- Dino Art Director of DSWC


Danny Heidner Experience Designer of DSWC:


Andrew Production Lead of DSWC:


Jacob Bitch of DSWC:


8:51- What do you guys recall form that crazy month?


10:19- Dino gives a recap of Drinkin Smoking West Coastin


11:46- A group love hate letter to LA


11:58- What is this city?


12:06-Ghost Ship fire in Oakland


12:59- Listen to Season 2 Episode 0 of A.R.T Artist Real Talk “WTF happened to Think Tank Gallery”


19:16- Stephen Linsley


19:26- Ray Young Chu of Ray Mart


20:06- Whitney Bell


21:06- Danny talks about the biggest challenge of the show


21:39- Watch the video of Jacob and Danny


24:14- Check out more of Ray Mart:


27:15- Andrew goes into detail on the original idea of Ray Mart


27:46- Bloody Gums


28:06- INPUT Nano leafs installation


30:16- Andrew talks about his time and setting up his instillation for Blood Gums


30:38- LA is still trying to kill me being a smaller version of the bigger show in Chinatown “LA Is Trying to Kill me at Lei Min space.


33:30- Jacob goes over the two things they didn't use in the show


39:16- Watch the Think Tank x Weed Maps video with Ray Young Chu

other video?




45:36- Barfly written by Charles Bukowski


47:01- Jacob talks about all the good and bad of LA “love hate letter to LA”


47:40- Andrew talks about his part of the show for Bloody Gums






48:52- Larsen Sotelo


49:21- Jacob talks about not being from LA


49:53- Sinzi


Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk episode 6 with Sinzi Velicescu:


50:26- The truth about LA


53:20- Dino goes into detail about the colors he chose for DSWC







1:08:03- Dino talks about the retail side of DSWC


1:14:25- Jacob talks about not sleeping and the pressure that came along with the show


1:19:36- Jacob forgetting to put Danny on the list


1:20:25- Elsa Monroe


1:22:26- Graffiti book release party


1:28:16- Stephen Linsley


1:34:58- People thinking the vans shoes in the show were “free.”


1:43:39- Little Face Events


1:47:04- Dino talks about the making the DMV promo tickets and leaving them on random cars


1:54:26- Jacob talks about being sponsored by Playboy and the hidden arcade


1:59:34- What was your favorite event?


More coming

Feb 22, 2018

The last big show that was thrown with the Think Tank was a confusing one, for many reasons. Firefly Productions tricked the Think Tank into producing it, the Think Tank tricked its audience into attending it (#District798), and the actors tricked guests in every way shape and form. By the end, people even thought the weed was fake while they hit it. This show was described as a "mindfuck" by the media, and it encapsulated that word in every way. Whether you caught or missed the show, or caught the show but missed huge chunks of it (we don't blame you), this interview with Steph and Steven of Firefly is a crash course on how to give a viciously original take on priorly used content. Producers will love this episode. Artists will too.


Steven Klein and Stephanie Barnes from Firefly



7:31- District 798


8:00- Jacob tells Steven and Steph to give an intro about the last show Firefly and Think Tank have done


More about ‘Caught’ at District 798


9:10- Steven goes into detail about what Caught is




Read about what people thought about Caught at La Mama


14:53- Director Ed Sylvanus Iskandar


16:20- Who did the rehearsal process?


16:48- Caught being an immersive show and not in a theater


19:43- Did you guys hire an immersive company? Was it Ed’s company?


20:10- More of Tommy Honton


Listen to the Artist Real Talk Episode 17 with Tommy Honton


20:33- A lot of immersive theater is associated with horror in LA


21:43- Building a world around theater that is Immersive


24:08-  Stephen Gifford the set designer of Caught/District 798


28:28- Staff and actors hiding to watch how the audience reacted to the show


29:08- Stephanie and Steve go over the order of the show


30:27- Reactions from theater crowd vs art crowd


30:50- At what point did you approach me in the ideation process; early or right at the end?


31:23- Who was involved in the early stages?


32:39- Had you already discussed whether the gallery would be in on the joke or not before meeting us?


36:00- Jacob talks about the challenges


36:20- Liquor sponsors backing out because they didn't want to compromise relationships from China even though the show wasn't real.




40:57- Stephanie talks about the post show lounge


46:37- “Is this a gallery or a theater?”


47:39- Full Length Play


58:38- Stephanie talks about how the ticketing process was the most challenging part of the entire show


59:20- Jacob tells Stephanie and Steven to share the difficulties within making the show


1:01:23- Generating group sales


1:02:28- How do you market Caught/District 798


1:02:48- Creating an element of exclusivity and an element of getting approved


1:05:08- Five words to describe yourself and five words people would use to describe you


1:07:21- Jacob, Stephanie and Steven talk about how there needs to be an Immersive ticketing service that is customizable.


1:09:51- The ability to text characters from the show


1:11:33- Making sure the whole audience feels like one unit


1:12:45- Then She Fell


1:15:20- Steven goes into detail about how instead of feeling betrayed the audience felt safe


1:17:22- Jacob asks Steven and Stephanie, “how many productions have you done in front of a live audience?


1:18:07- The audience had a different energy every night. How wide was the shift from one night to the next, from one week to the next in our show; compared to other live productions you guys have done?


1:22:50- Steven talks about how the people with an Asian background seemed more relaxed vs the white audience who wasn't sure if they could laugh or if it was offensive.


1:25:40- Jacob asks, “was there a difference between the Fridays and Saturdays since some nights were alcohol and some were weed?”


1:26:28- Noah Nelson:


Check out Artist Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:


1:27:23- The talk back


1:31:15- Jacob asks, “what did you learn about the audiences who were coming to the talk back based on them thinking the show was over?


1:36:53- Moving the audience in different environments to dictate how they are supposed to behave


1:38:34- Rafael Hayashi:


Teddy kelly:


1:40:53- Jacob describes Steven in one word


1:43:03- What’s next?


1:45:23- Stephen Gifford the set designer of Caught at District 798


Caught’ starred:

Louis Ozawa

Jackie Chung:

Jessica Kaye:

Steven Klein:

Eston Fung:

Chrstine Lin:

Stephanie Barnes:

Peter Wylie:


The immersive company included Alexis Colianni, Carlo Figlio, Gray Gall, Stacia Marcum, Katie May Porter, Rebecca Rufer, and Alice Victoria Winslow.


Lighting Designer Derrick McDaniel


Project Designer Jeffrey Teeter


Sound Designer Crickets Myers


Costume Designer Halei Parker


Assistant Director Garrett Baer


Stage managed by Amanda Bierbauer, and the Assistant Sound Designer was Kelly Aburto


In association with:

Vs Theatre


Steven Klein


Stephanie Barnes


Natalia Duncan Macker


Think Tank Gallery


1:46:36- Jacob asks Steven and Stephanie to close out by talking about the opening of the show

Feb 14, 2018

New York's "Sleep No More" is probably the most successful piece of immersive theatre of all time. But there are thousands of moving parts to this magical machine. Guest Cesar Hawas likes to describe the parts of this creative ecosystem as just that, magic, but there are tons of insights to how an arts company can get such an expensive building and keep it running and profitable. Cesar talks about the more ethereal parts of Sleep No More (run by the production company Emursive) and all of the inspiration that surrounds it at the McKittrick Hotel in our first remote episode recorded outside of California. 


5:55 - Cesar Hawas


6:01-  The Lodge at the Mckittrick Hotel


7:34- When and why The Lodge opened




10:05- What are the different experiences you can have in the McKittrick Hotel?


12:53- Creating complicated experiences


13:36- Film VS Broadway and theater 


13:53- Have you done any productions on the West Coast?


14:51- Cesar talks about working on Broadway


15:08- Did you go to theater school?


17:39- Cesar goes into detail about acting


18:28- What was the first moment that you discovered Immersive theater/entertainment? 


21:43- Cesar goes into detail about Sleep No More and why it is powerful


22:10- Noah Nelson:


Check out Artist Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:


24:23- The Queen Marry


27:53- Jacob asks Dino (Think Tank Creative Art Director), “when was the first time you were exposed to Immersive Art?”


29:26- What have you been hearing about Star Wars Land?




33:03- Sleep No More’s intention


33:43- How many times have you seen the show?


35:33- Cesar talks about one of the powerful aspects of Sleep No More




Sara Thacher Walt Disney Imagineering Research & Development


40:25- Dino shares his experience at Sleep No More


42:13 Is there any sort of guidance that you guys give on this? 


43:31- Jacob’s worst fear




45:41- Cesar discusses following the narrative and the correlation between McBeth and Hitchcock


48:35- Jacob explains how he is happy with his choice of not reading MacBeth before Sleep No More


49:18- Is this the second time the show has been mounted; because it also happened in London.


49:25- Cesar breaks down the history of Sleep No More


52:20- Sleep No More’s audience 


52:44- Cesar and Jacob touch on how there is no dialogue in Sleep No More which making it easy for people of every language to experience and enjoy


54:36- The most exciting aspect of Sleep No More

55:22- Supercinema at the McKittrick Hotel


Supercinema - Clue


Supercinema - Wizard Of Oz


Read more about the Supercinema parties:



57:52- Jacob touches on how being a host is a difficult task




1:02:47- Inclusiveness 


59:09- The Universe is a Small Hat Trailer:


Learn more here:


1:04:02- Jacob asks Cesar if they survey people about their experience at Sleep No More


1:08:03- Does the art direction or improvisation of Sleep No More change at all or has it been the same for years?


1:10:11- The Heath


1:11:28- Gallow Green




1:15:11- Colin Nightingale 

Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International


1:17:28- How big is the team that is programming ancillary spaces?


1:18:46- Sign up for mailings for upcoming events at McKittrick Hotel


1:19:07- Marketing 


1:19:46- Cesar touches on how they haven’t spent any money on advertising 


1:23:24- How has the High Line affected the show or has the show affected the High Line?


1:25:05- How involved is Punchdrunk?



Find more of Cesar Hawas at:


Find more of Jacob Patterson at:


Find More of Dino Nama at:

Feb 8, 2018

Listen to some drunken (or in Noah's case punchdrunk) conversation between host Jacob Patterson and friends after wrapping up Noah's inaugural Immersive Design Summit. IDS 2018 brought together hundreds of creators, producers, and developers from all over the world who work in the quickly emerging world of immersive entertainment. Fields within this genre range from virtual reality to theatre to ASMR, and if any of this stuff interests you, be sure to check out the No Proscenium podcast or ask Jacob for an invite to the Everything Immersive private Facebook group. Hit us up on Instagram to chat, and enjoy our most off the cuff episode to date. 


6:00- Intro


Noah Nelson:


Check out Artists Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:


Tommy Honton:


6:24- First Immersive Design Summit


7:28- Tom Pearson: Third Rail Projects Co-Artist Director


8:09- Then She Fell


Sleep No More


8:45- Jacob asks Tommy and Noah for advice on what he should do at Sleep No More


12:24- Art Basel


12:58- Jacob asks Tommy, “What was your overall lesson learned from the summit?”


14:20- Olivia Cueva




22:50- Noah explains how people heard about the Immersive Design Summit


24:42- Jacob asks, “What would say were the categories of attendees?”


26:50- Noah explains how they made conscious choices to make sure that this was an inclusive event


27:43- “What did you think of the town hall portion?”


30:47- Asking the audience, “what was the thing you saw that made you re-think your work?”


31:45- Tommy running into a scavenger hunt and finding a riddle when he was younger


33:46- When did you know there was a professional world of immersive entertainment?


37:44- When Tommy first experienced immersive experiences 


38:43- Tommy reaching out to companies asking if he could work for them even if it's for free


39:30- Andrew McGregor:


Listen to episode #8 with Andrew McGregor


40:52- Tommy and Noah meeting for the first time an informational interview 


43:08- Tommy and Noah ending up in a surprise meeting with the city of Los Angeles for permitting 


45:43- Vince Meow Wolf


47:03- Read more about Candytopia and Happy Place and why they got shut down here:






52:20- Why did we not discuss the selfie palaces or the Ghost Ship?


Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:


54:57- “Tommy did you feel like it was missing from the conversation?”


57:05- Vince


Justin Fix


57:22- Noah's opinion on discussing different business challenges with opening up a venue and needing the city on your side. 


58:03- Sara Thacher


58:34- The institute




1:04:33- What was the moral of the story on that panel?


1:07:50- Budgets and rates


1:10:11- You have to make yourself valuable to the project


1:10:10- Nova Han


1:10:50- Jacob asks Noah, “What other panel did you moderate?”


1:13:54- Check out the Carne Y Arena exhibit at LACMA


1:15:08- Tommy what was your favorite moment at the Immersive Design Summit?


1:16:16- Diana Williams Content Strategist, Lucasfilm’s Story Group

Colin Nightingale Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International


1:17:14- Curtis Hickman Chief Creative Officer & Co-Founder, The Void


1:17:44- Christ Hickman THE VOID: Creating The Illusion of Reality


1:22:47- Jacob goes into detail about his favorite part at the summit


1:23:14-  Melina Lauw Co-Creator, Whisperlodge


1:27:00-Serial Killers and Immersive theater


1:27:37- Summarizing Sara Thacher


1:28:55- How did you guys feel about Sara’s speech?


1:35:24- Final wishes for Immersive Design Summit 2019




1:39:58- Tommy Honton:


1:40:32- Noah Nelson:


1:41:35- Jacob Patterson

Feb 2, 2018

We're back! It's been a while since A.R.T. has posted an episode of our podcast, and a lot has happened in the interim. If you read between the lines (or read the "farewell letter" we published online after the LA Weekly story last year), then you know a bit of what happened, but our host Jacob Patterson takes a moment in this episode to break down what happened and where we're at because of it. If you don't give a damn and want to hear inspiring creators talk about how they're changing the world, skip this one and head over to the first full episode of Season 2 with the CEO of Meow Wolf. 


0:18- What has happened to Artists Real Talk?


1:14- Check out the last episode recorded on Artist Real Talk


2:38- Why Think Tank stopped hosting the podcast, and what happened between season one and season two


3:47- Art Director Dino @nunquamdormio


3:52- Jacob’s assistant Elsa @hellsuh


4:00- Sleep No More immersive show in New York


5:34- What happened to Think Tank Gallery in general


6:00- LA Weekly following the think tank story


6:16- Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:


6:30- Scott Hove


6:37- Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:


6:55- LA Weekly



7:02- Think Tank’s Farewell letter to DTLA


7:30- Jacob goes into detail about what happened to Think Tank Gallery, what is 939 studio and what is Think Tank gallery doing next.


8:45- Scheduled inspections at Think Tank


10:33- Trap house event



12:23- Eviction notice


13:00 Think Tank creating a community a system where a community can run


16:57- Ammon Rost


18:02- Re branding / splitting the brand


19:47- Think Tanking only hosting rentals


20:25- Moving from DIY to “do it right” the difference between doing it yourself and doing it correctly so that it could live in its highest potential.


23:14- Cleaning up Think Tank to start renting it out


24:38- Does Think Tank have a social responsibility to re-sign the lease?


25:05- Drinkin’ Smokin’ West’ Coastin’ event


26:49- Dino the art director of Think Tank, stepping up and helping in inspiring ways.


28:40- Jacob explains how he had to take off his creator hat and put on his business man hat to looking at things more objectively.


31:11- Details about 939 Studio is an event rental site now, when someone wants an artistic collaboration they hit up think tank and from there they will decide if they will pitch it to 939 studio.


33:00- How Think Tank stopped wasting time pursuing things that couldn't be profitable enough to exist and started thinking outside the box


33:45- Think Tank’s event Legal Goods


Read more about it here:



34:03- You are here ll Shoot a cop





35:34- Listen to the podcast where Phil America pitches the Legal Goods idea


Phil America:

Instagram @philamerica




36:25- Jacob explains what Legal Goods was about


36:30- Greg Escalante


39:00- Selling art from convicts in Legal Goods


40:05- Bonita swap meet is located at 620 S Alvarado St, Los Angeles, CA 90057


40:03- How a lot of people got offended about a couple white dudes doing this event and the backlash that came from it


42:19- Check out videos of Jacob hanging out with children during the Legal Goods pop up:


42:29- Legal Goods Zine


42:48- Learning about the neighborhood through the children


43:22- Why Legal Goods was an important show for Think Tank


44:59- DSWC Group art show - a testament to LA



47:40 Check out the book Built to Last Successful: Habits of Visionary Companies



48:40- Meow Wolf giving Think Tank a grant


50:14- Scott Hove


51:15- Drinkin Smokin West Coastin - Group love hate letter to LA


51:54- How Jacob came up with the idea for DSWC


Read what people had to say about Drinkin’ Smokin’ and West Coastin’


59:42- Whitney bell


59:59- Whitney’s Dick Pic show