Allison is a very well-known Bay-to-LA (and back) street artist, having been featured on the cover of LA Weekly's People of the Year issue, Juxtapoz Magazine, and many other places. She's also navigated a wide variety of career situations that have informed her work. For our season finale, host Jacob Patterson stopped by her new house in Oakland to chop it up. Warning: we say "hyphy" and "hella" wayyyyyy too many times in this episode.
8:17- Is San Jose the bay area or not?
8:57- Which part of Oakland are we in?
10:32- The Bay responding to the Ghost Ship fire
Read more about the Ghost Ship fire:
13:20- Vince CEO Meow Wolf
15:31- Why did you decide to come back to the bay?
17:08- Jacob ghost riding a car
17:25- Andrew bloody gums
20:33- Drinkin Smokin West Coastin
21:23- Why move back to the bay?
22:06- Hueman talks about being homeless
26:52- Hueman talks about how she misses collaborating with people in Los Angeles
28:28- Hueman x Hyperlimbo
Hueman explains what Hyperlimbo means to her
31:31- What do you usually do on your drive from Oakland to LA?
34:04- From UCLA to The Brewery
35:03- Housing at Think Tank
35:57- What was it like at The Brewery?
39:16- Hueman talks about her experience with art and work
39:56- Hueman and legal issues
42:40- Did you go to school for painting or design?
44:06- John Cena
44:56- Hueman talks about taking a video game design course
46:15- Monkey Island
47:19- What kind of things do you do to gather inspiration?
47:52- Larry King By,
49:28- Other Peoples Property by Jason Tanz
49:41- LA Weekly Shuts Down Abruptly
52:57- Humans last design gig being for Playboy
53:03- Were things turned around by then or were you still broke?
54:57- Jacob talks about Playboy spitting sex positive feminism
55:59- Whitney Kidd Bell
Read more about the Dick Pic Show:
58:34- Hueman talks about when she started doing murals
1:01:32- Jacob talks about what he used to paint
1:04:31- What kept Hueman from doing murals for years
1:06:42- Art Major
1:12:08- Ritual show by Hueman
Ritual show (teaser)
1:12:55- Hueman explains what the Ritual show was
1:13:36- Why it was called ritual
1:13:44- Jarell Perry
1:15:53- Built to Last by Jim Collins
The 50th Law by 50 Cent
1:16:48- The Room
The Disaster Artist
1:18:51- Hueman asks Jacob about the different colors he uses in his organizer
1:21:36- Hueman touches on her “ritual”
1:23:09- Jacob talks about writing his to-do list
1:25:41 Jacob talks about how important “Coffeegraph” was
Recap on Coffeegraph:
1:26:25- Dino Nama
1:36:16 When did you realize you could do art full time and how did you balance it with commercial art?
1:37:16- Huemans trip to Europe
1:38:20- How do you curate commercial art opportunities?
1:38:32- How do you know when to say yes and when to say no?
1:41:31- Commissioned work
1:44:23- Are your murals usually always commissioned?
1:44:44- Hueman talks about getting a grant
1:46:35- Do you have anything big coming up that you could talk about?
1:46:41- What do you want, if you could imagine what you see yourself doing within the next five years?
1:52:51- Hueman touches on what tools someone needs to be an artist
1:56:11- Where to find Allison Hueman:
6:10- Can you talk about the new stuff you are doing with Corey Helford?
9:16- Scott Hove
12:06- Heidi talks details about herself and her mom Monica Johnson who was a screenwriter and novelist
18:26- Heidi talks about talent management and PR in the entertainment industry
20:27- Heidi talks about working on Renaissance Man (1994)
21:44- Being an assistant for Penny Marshall
23:38- Lillo Brancoto
A Bronx Tale Directed by Robert Di Niro
24:32- What are press junkets?
26:01- Heidi talks about Entertainment PR
30:49- Learning how to deal with clients
32:27- Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode #24 with Creative Director Maca
37:31- Define what a publicist is
42:31- Engelbert Humperdinck
43:38- Heidi talks about signing a contract with Engelbert
44:31- Pitching to the Grammys
45:53- Do artists often say no when you have a big idea that can be huge?
47:36- Jacob talks about what Heidi taught him with, “finding the story.”
48:43- When did you start Hijinx?
50:46- Robbie Conal
52:19- GRRL Scouts video
54:51- PR and relationships
55:16- Beyond The Streets
56:16- Art Basel
56:46- Heidi talks about her mom passing away weeks prior to Art Basel
1:00:02- Working in LA
1:00:41- Allison "Hueman"
1:01:31- The Brewery Art Colony
1:02:10- Hold Up Art Gallery
1:09:25- How do you judge the feeling of what you should be doing vs what you shouldn't be doing?
1:10:14- Heidi talks about following her gut
1:12:01- What is a manager and why is it useful to have one?
1:14:25- Are managers taking a percentage of everything you make or only off the projects you bring?
1:16:18- Heidi talks about what a manager should do for you– bringing rates up and getting your needs met
1:18:52- If someone is considering managing what kind of things do they need to be thinking about as they step into that new role?
1:20:56- Teddy Kelly
1:20:56- Heidi explains how working with friends is hard
1:28:46- Bobby Moline-Kramer
1:28:04- Annie Terrazzo
1:28:41- Heidi talks about being around to see social media emerge
1:30:20- List building
1:31:46- Heidi talks about how important social media is
1:37:35- Odd Nerdrum
1:40:06- Greg Escalante
1:41:50- Corey Helford
1:45:35- Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk with Phil America
1:49:06- Heidi talks about how Greg Escalante has been remembered
1:55:06- Do you have a four or five year path with the LA Art show that you guys are trying to build together?
2:00:26- Do you think this is something artists could do on their own without hiring a publicist?
2:01:46- Heidi suggestion to smaller galleries putting out press releases
2:03:26- Where to find Heidi Johnson
10:00- Dino explains who Maca is and why they brought him to the podcast
10:20- Intro to Maca
11:20- Dino goes into detail about Maca being his mentor and what he taught him
13:13- “Your success does not end at 5pm.”
16:06- Maca explains what he does
16:22- Orcv creative director
16:40- The idea of a creative director
20:11- How many teams have you been on? What is the range of sizes on those teams?
21:22- Dino explains what Quest is
21:59- Maca talks about when he joined Quest
23:45- Looking at Quest through the surface
26:25- Jose Prada
28:03- Dino at what point did you come in? How many people were there?
28:39- What Dino did before Quest
30:38- University of Long Beach
34:50- Maca talks about his and Dino’s passion projects
36:02- Tony Robins
39:15- What was the goal for the file project? What would audiences consume?
42:28- Jacob talks about taking on a sales role
43:10- Stance socks
45:29- How would you separate the ideas of art and design
47:52- Design is a problem solving tool that utilizes art
48:10- Story time with Dino
51:50- Dino talks about being a FAKE vegan
56:05- What kind of art did you make before you tried going to college
1:00:05- Sweaty Betty directed by Joseph Frank and Zachary Reed
1:03:57- What does it mean to want to become a designer? What are the things that you need to learn?
1:05:07- Understanding how to carefully craft an image
1:05:33- Did you teach yourself photography?
1:06:47- Eric Kim
Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk with Eric Kim
1:11:12- Photography— working without equipment
1:12:55- Jacob asks Dino, what kind of art were you making before hand and have you kept it up?
1:14:29- Dino talks about painting in high school and doing photography in college
1:17:10- Jacob talks about when he used to market himself on social media
1:17:45- Mastery by Robert Greene
1:18:22- Do you feel artwork informs your professional creativity career or do you feel guilty that you have to set your artwork aside to focus on the other jobs you have?
1:20:44- Compromising vs Sacrificing
1:21:07- One of the ways you express your creativity is with allowing yourself to find fulfillment in the tasks you are doing by day
1:25:20- Guilt and trading your time for money
1:25:52- If you had to give advice to someone on how to make their day life fulfilling what would it be?
1:28:08- How did Quest end and how was it fulfilling enough to keep you there?
1:31:03- Define what you mean by the number one art department in the world
1:33:51- Describe to me what the greatest art department in the world would consist of
1:34:11- Maca talks about what will make a great art department
1:36:00- The creative director needs to understand the vision
1:37:31- How can you have more than one creative director?
1:38:45- Waypoint Vice Magazine - Halo
1:41:25- How are different departments that are all design departments, all split up?
1:42:03- Co creative directing
1:43:00- Copy writers
1:43:22- Jacob talks about his first marketing job
1:44:14- What is the shift in mindset as you start to grow as a company, taking on more clients
1:44:35- What is the change in mindset to go from a agency that has one creative director to having two?
1:47:21- What does a creative director do?
1:51:05- What is CMO?
1:44:08- Creative Hierarchy
1:51:32- Jacob asks Macs, “what is a design director?”
1:52:05- Jonathan Iva
1:53:06- What are the different things it would take if we are building the ideal agency?
1:58:13- When you envision orcv in thirty years, do you have any products that you guys are selling?
1:59:43- When you started this agency, did you have a philosophy for the brand?
2:00:55- Built to Last by Jim Collins
2:01:35- Maca goes into detail about his story and mission for orcv
2:05:09- How do you structure that mission?
2:06:33- Jacob talks about how studying Art History helped him
2:08:35- Dino talks about looking at Think Tank in the future
2:09:40- Think Tank being more involved with the community
2:12:45- Jacob asks Maca, “do you feel like it is your job to educate clients when they come to you?”
2:20:40- Debbie Millman design matters
Where to find Maca:
6:03- Are you editing your show yourself, or do you have someone else doing it?
7:05- Jacob talks about interviewing people
8:04- Do you have a starting point when you are getting ready to interview somebody?
9:45- Have you been intimidated to interview anybody?
11:04- Yoshino talks about how much research he does prior to interviewing people
12:26- Check out Yoshino’s podcast Artist Decoded
12:37- Trump Rally Sean Dunne
Check out Artist Decoded Episode #45 with Sean Dunne
15:12- Psychedelic experiences
17:30- Jacob talks about his psychedelic trip
19:40- Scott Hove
Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:
28:32- Do you take psychedelics in a ceremonial way or celebratory way?
31:02- Annihilation with Natalie Portman directed by Alex Garland
33:04- Sphere Directed by Barry Levinson
35:10 Jacob talks about how he respects Yoshino for the way he into films with respect and thought
36:02: Yoshino talks about how he has a deep respect for writers and directors of film
36:38- Eyes Wide Shut Directed by Stanley Kubrick
39:40- Yorgos Lanthimos
40:20- The Killing of a Sacred Deer
41:06- David Lynch
41:19- Twin Peaks
42:07- Jacob talks about the first time he realized he wanted to be an artist
43:57- Jacob talks about selling sandwiches for lunch when he was younger
47:41- Yoshino asks Jacob one of the strangest things he’s been asked on a first date
51:49- Yoshino goes into detail about wanting to start a relationship podcast
53:29- Yoshino asks Jacob what makes you want to be in open relationships?
1:05:59- Rebelling against a Christian background
1:07:27- Jacob talks about his new mindset with current relationships
1:08:31- Jealousy Vs Compersion
1:10:05- Chris Ryan
Sex At Dawn
The Ethical Slut
1:12:57- What are you working on now, besides the podcast?
1:13:12- Yoshino goes into detail about his podcast and how he met his partner
1:14:34- Norberto Rodriguez
1:14:41- Quite Mornings event at MOCA
1:17:01- Do you guys have a contract?
1:19:21- What things do you do for music festivals?
1:20:09- how do you as a producer support Justin when he takes on another project?
1:23:45- Artist representation
1:25:43- Meow Wolf
1:30:40 Are you taking commission on sales from these artists?
1:30:55- Do you guys get a cut when you get them show with other people?
1:31:32- Do you promote everything they are doing, always?
1:32:37- How do you make sure your bills are paid every month?
1:33:52- Jacob talks about what is in store for Think Tank in the next few months
1:36:10- Immersive Arts Festival
1:38:10- Nova Han
1:38:55- The Chronicles of LA
1:41:33- Yoshino talks about the vaseline photo sculptures he makes and explains what that entails
1:44:00-Jacob talks about Dinos role at Think Tank
1:44:55- Phil America
1:46:22- Museum of sex Female Gaze
1:50:46- Yoshino gives a recap of what to expect from Nohwave
1:51:59- Artist Decoded
1:52:17- Why does Artist Decoded exist? Why do you want it to continue to exist?
1:53:35- Are you going to keep your hour long episodes structured?
11:40 - intro ends/interview begins
12:10 - How did you find your way into permitting?
13:15 - Intro to Anna
13:24 - Did you come from the aesthetic side?
14:10 - Anna talks about cARTel, acting, staging and then combining them together.
15:05 - Visual art
15:55 - Anna buying miller highlife at 19 and dropping the glass bottles from her balcony
16:15 - Anna talks about Theater and the US Davis theater and dance program
17:05 - Why didn't you go to Berkeley instead of UC Davis?
17:55 - Bay to LA hate
19:11 - How was it being in a college town?
20:02 - Do they have production classes at Davis? How did you find yourself on the production side?
20:50 - http://www.deafwest.org/
22:00 - https://www.broadway.com/shows/spring-awakening-dw/
23:45 - Anna talks about her intern work at Deaf West
24:00 - Switched at Birth
26:00 - Brokechella
27:41 - Explain what Brokechella / Broke LA is
Check out what LA Weekly has to say about Brokechella:
29:56 - Was cARTel still called cARTel at that point?
30:30 - https://www.instagram.com/neginsingh/
30:24 - In ten years what did you picture yourself to be doing?
31:14 - Was there a theater element in Broke Beast?
32:30 - Family Forest Theatrical Event
34:56 - YOU ARE HERE ll: Shoot a Cop 2013
36:47 - How as this presented? How many people made stuff?
37:38 - Anna talks about Brokechella becoming really successful
40:20 - Do you have specific strategies to be introspective and make sure year by year the event is being honest for the audience?
42:50 - Deviant art
45:45 - Jacob talks about how he started as a YouTuber
46:29 - Listen to last seasons episode with Sarah Penna on business, and the economy of online content: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000377753292
47:20 - How much has Brokechella grown?
47:30 - What was it at, at year three?
47:56 - When did you start implementing sponsors?
48:33 - Jacob talks about Think Tank being sponsored by Lagunitas and how much they support art events
49:54 - Anna talks about Lagunitas supporting Brokechella and affiliate shows
49:15 - What kind of questions do you ask vendors on your surveys?
52:28 - Anna talks about asking the musicians what it felt like on their stage and if the production team was responsive
53:40 - Break Bread recap
53:59 - Scott hove:
55:50 - Have you had big important people to the fest drop off because they expected it to go in a different direction?
58:59 - Anna talks about lighting installations
1:00:27 - When did you start to transition from purely collective to more corporate structure?
1:01:50 - Sexy Sax Man
1:02:53 - Adopting a business structure
1:05:19 - Oakland Ghost Ship Fire
1:06:35 - Do you have different verticals or is it all one thing now called cARTel agency?
1:07:12 - Fort exhibit by cARTel (2011)
1:09:24 - Galaxy: Science Art Party by cARTel (2012)
1:10:40 - Do you enjoy absorbing the energy of the audience?
1:11:51 - Jacob talks about not being able to chill out at parties
1:13:43 - Oakland Warehouse safety coalition
1:13:54 - https://vimeo.com/252652909
1:16:23 - Why do permitting at all?
1:20:45 - Los Angeles permitting being disparate
1:24:30 - Westminster** London permitting:
1:28:06 - Jacob talks about the cops coming in with squad cars and helicopters crashing an event
1:31:46 - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/48319990/the-living-room-tour-bringing-theater-into-homes
1:34:00 - Art Walk Wrongful Death Lawsuit Settled
1:46:05 - https://www.timeout.com/los-angeles/things-to-do/popsugar-x-freeform-mermaid-museum
1:46:09 - We couldn’t find any legit baby exorcisms :( please send them to us
1:46:53 - The Happy Place
1:47:29 - Dino Nama:
1:51:26 - Tommy Honton:
Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 17 with Tommy Honton
1:53:50 - Anna talks about an Immersive project that is in the works– challenging and inverting dreams
1:55:24 - Jacob touches on the theme park industry
1:58:51- Why haven’t you started working in the theme park industry?
2:01:16 - Meow Wolf
Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 16 with Meow Wolf
Afterlife with cARTel at Angel City Brewery
2:03:28 - Sleep No More
02:05:00 - Cesar Hawas:
Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 18 with Sleep No More
2:07:15 - How do you make sure to stay true to learning experiences at your events while also focusing on getting the (at times) nearly impossible stuff done that it takes to throw a party? How do you make sure you have that content in there?
2:08:22 - http://www.boomtownbrew.com/
2:12:10 - Dinosaurus art event by cARTel
2:12:15 - Jacob touches on 939 Studio
2:12:55 - Ecoset:
2:13:51- Burning Man
2:14:09 - Overnight festival at Joshua Tree
2:16:34 - Anna talks about being involved with Burning Man and running shifts
2:16:55 - How does something like Burning Man exist?
2:17:03 - EDC
2:22:07 - Stash House Escape House
2:24:54 - Have you seen sphere?
2:25:46 - What do you want in the future for cARTel and Broke La?
2:27:43 - Anna touches on things she wants for the permitting world
2:29:56 - What should people look out for with Broke LA? Why should they go? How can they go?
Where to by tickets:
2:31:47 - What makes it different now that you have the Regent for a couple days?
2:33:32 - http://brokelafest.com/
6:46- Katie Partlow (Little Face Events)
5:53- Katie explains what Little Face Events is
7:06- When did you start this?
14:09- Were you doing events before that?
14:49- Art Share LA
15:15- How long have you be in LA? Were you doing events anywhere else before you came here?
15:43- What caused you to make the jump from performing to throwing events?
18:49- Katie talks about trying to find the vibe she wanted after moving to LA.
23:21- Do you feel like burlesque has applied to your production life?
26:21- Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 20 to hear more about Drinkin’ Smokin’ & West Coastin’
26:39- Katie talks about bad experiences with smoking, and micro dosing.
30:36- How did you get a show at ArtShare as one of the first things you’ve done?
33:46- When did you become dedicated to cannabis?
36:37- Check out Little Face Events “The Afternoon Delight”
39:23- Have you seen any plans for any ongoing restaurants that are introducing cannabis?
41:02- Recreational dispensaries
42:58- Do you focus on making them accessible for beginners or is it a natural side effect to making your events comfortable?
44:20- How have your events had to change as this legal grey area has contracted over and over again during the years of you hosting these cannabis events?
49:09- Does it sound like they are enforcing this rule?
49:34- Have you talked to any authorities on the matter; or mainly lawyers?
51:31- Why do you take away peoples phones?
54:25- Do you come from a long line of potheads or are you the first one?
55:23- Katie talks about her dad being arrested for selling drugs to the U.S Air Force
59:24- Katie gets interrogated by a guy in a ski mask
1:02:53- Jacob talks about when he caught a case
1:04:18- Jacob asks Katie how her mom felt about her getting arrested
1:06:21- Jacob going to anger management for unrelated crime
1:09:20- What is it about cannabis that you decided to dedicate a large portion of your to it?
1:11:31- What is your criminal record now?
1:14:01- People say we should not be rejoicing cannabis being legal when there are people in prison for it still. Do you have any plans to address that issue at all?
1:15:36- Katie talks about how she is looking for people who are dedicated to helping people who are incarcerated for weed-related charges
Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:
1:19:47- Is there an active social change going on to re-name marijuana into cannabis?
1:20:46- Have you found people who are pushing to help people who have Marijuana crime record?
1:23:36- Jacob talks about Katie’s events representing freedom
1:23:40- Students for sensible drug policy
1:24:16- How many events have you done now?
1:27:20- Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 20 for a recap of DSWC’
1:28:56- When I approached you to be chief cannabis officer for Drinkin’ Smokin’ West Coastin,' what did you think?
1:28:56- Wake and Bake with Roscoe’s
1:29:48- Read what LA Weekly had to say about Cannabis Cabaret
1:31:46- Did you want to theme it after cannabis prohibition?
1:32:42- Why Cannabis in your events?
1:33:16- Katie talks about wanting to take her events to different places
1:35:46- How do you get media like Rolling Stone and Leafly to come to your show?
1:37:31- Check out what LA Weekly had to say about Little Face Events Honey Trap
1:44:34- What is on the horizon for you?
1:44:51- Katie talks about wanting to do a fair event
1:45:54- What kind of people are you looking to partner with for something like this?
1:46:26- Tre Borden https://treborden.com/
1:48:46- Katie talks about permits for cannabis onsite consumption on fairgrounds
1:49:36- Jacob talks about the benefits of having a cannabis fair
1:51:21- What is more immediate than that? Do you have more afternoon delights coming up?
1:53:02- Tommy Honton
Listen to Artist Real Talk episode with Tommy Honton & Noah Nelson
1:53:48- How can people find you and get into your events?
#repost! We took this episode down to make a crucial cut. If you heard it the first time, enjoy it again cuz it's that good! If you missed it, here's your chance to listen to the world's hottest immersive arts company spin gold through their CEO.
We've mentioned the trip that manifested DS&WC at Think Tank Gallery, the show that brought our gallery back into our old venue, but we haven't discussed the process of putting it on. Hundreds of people were involved in producing this massive arts and events series, and four of them sit down after breakfast to smoke a few bowls and talk about it in this episode. If you came to the show you'll love hearing what went into it, and if you didn't you'll love hearing our host's best friends ruthlessly mocking him for a couple hours. Long one but good one.
6:08- Dino Art Director of DSWC
Danny Heidner Experience Designer of DSWC:
Andrew Production Lead of DSWC:
Jacob Bitch of DSWC:
8:51- What do you guys recall form that crazy month?
10:19- Dino gives a recap of Drinkin Smoking West Coastin
11:46- A group love hate letter to LA
11:58- What is this city?
12:06-Ghost Ship fire in Oakland
12:59- Listen to Season 2 Episode 0 of A.R.T Artist Real Talk “WTF happened to Think Tank Gallery”
19:16- Stephen Linsley
19:26- Ray Young Chu of Ray Mart
20:06- Whitney Bell
21:06- Danny talks about the biggest challenge of the show
21:39- Watch the video of Jacob and Danny
24:14- Check out more of Ray Mart:
27:15- Andrew goes into detail on the original idea of Ray Mart
27:46- Bloody Gums
28:06- INPUT Nano leafs installation
30:16- Andrew talks about his time and setting up his instillation for Blood Gums
30:38- LA is still trying to kill me being a smaller version of the bigger show in Chinatown “LA Is Trying to Kill me at Lei Min space.
33:30- Jacob goes over the two things they didn't use in the show
39:16- Watch the Think Tank x Weed Maps video with Ray Young Chu
45:36- Barfly written by Charles Bukowski
47:01- Jacob talks about all the good and bad of LA “love hate letter to LA”
47:40- Andrew talks about his part of the show for Bloody Gums
48:52- Larsen Sotelo
49:21- Jacob talks about not being from LA
Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk episode 6 with Sinzi Velicescu:
50:26- The truth about LA
53:20- Dino goes into detail about the colors he chose for DSWC
1:08:03- Dino talks about the retail side of DSWC
1:14:25- Jacob talks about not sleeping and the pressure that came along with the show
1:19:36- Jacob forgetting to put Danny on the list
1:20:25- Elsa Monroe
1:22:26- Graffiti book release party
1:28:16- Stephen Linsley
1:34:58- People thinking the vans shoes in the show were “free.”
1:43:39- Little Face Events
1:47:04- Dino talks about the making the DMV promo tickets and leaving them on random cars
1:54:26- Jacob talks about being sponsored by Playboy and the hidden arcade
1:59:34- What was your favorite event?
The last big show that was thrown with the Think Tank was a confusing one, for many reasons. Firefly Productions tricked the Think Tank into producing it, the Think Tank tricked its audience into attending it (#District798), and the actors tricked guests in every way shape and form. By the end, people even thought the weed was fake while they hit it. This show was described as a "mindfuck" by the media, and it encapsulated that word in every way. Whether you caught or missed the show, or caught the show but missed huge chunks of it (we don't blame you), this interview with Steph and Steven of Firefly is a crash course on how to give a viciously original take on priorly used content. Producers will love this episode. Artists will too.
Steven Klein and Stephanie Barnes from Firefly
7:31- District 798
8:00- Jacob tells Steven and Steph to give an intro about the last show Firefly and Think Tank have done
More about ‘Caught’ at District 798
9:10- Steven goes into detail about what Caught is
Read about what people thought about Caught at La Mama
14:53- Director Ed Sylvanus Iskandar
16:20- Who did the rehearsal process?
16:48- Caught being an immersive show and not in a theater
19:43- Did you guys hire an immersive company? Was it Ed’s company?
20:10- More of Tommy Honton
Listen to the Artist Real Talk Episode 17 with Tommy Honton
20:33- A lot of immersive theater is associated with horror in LA
21:43- Building a world around theater that is Immersive
24:08- Stephen Gifford the set designer of Caught/District 798
28:28- Staff and actors hiding to watch how the audience reacted to the show
29:08- Stephanie and Steve go over the order of the show
30:27- Reactions from theater crowd vs art crowd
30:50- At what point did you approach me in the ideation process; early or right at the end?
31:23- Who was involved in the early stages?
32:39- Had you already discussed whether the gallery would be in on the joke or not before meeting us?
36:00- Jacob talks about the challenges
36:20- Liquor sponsors backing out because they didn't want to compromise relationships from China even though the show wasn't real.
40:57- Stephanie talks about the post show lounge
46:37- “Is this a gallery or a theater?”
47:39- Full Length Play
58:38- Stephanie talks about how the ticketing process was the most challenging part of the entire show
59:20- Jacob tells Stephanie and Steven to share the difficulties within making the show
1:01:23- Generating group sales
1:02:28- How do you market Caught/District 798
1:02:48- Creating an element of exclusivity and an element of getting approved
1:05:08- Five words to describe yourself and five words people would use to describe you
1:07:21- Jacob, Stephanie and Steven talk about how there needs to be an Immersive ticketing service that is customizable.
1:09:51- The ability to text characters from the show
1:11:33- Making sure the whole audience feels like one unit
1:12:45- Then She Fell
1:15:20- Steven goes into detail about how instead of feeling betrayed the audience felt safe
1:17:22- Jacob asks Steven and Stephanie, “how many productions have you done in front of a live audience?
1:18:07- The audience had a different energy every night. How wide was the shift from one night to the next, from one week to the next in our show; compared to other live productions you guys have done?
1:22:50- Steven talks about how the people with an Asian background seemed more relaxed vs the white audience who wasn't sure if they could laugh or if it was offensive.
1:25:40- Jacob asks, “was there a difference between the Fridays and Saturdays since some nights were alcohol and some were weed?”
1:26:28- Noah Nelson:
Check out Artist Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:
1:27:23- The talk back
1:31:15- Jacob asks, “what did you learn about the audiences who were coming to the talk back based on them thinking the show was over?
1:36:53- Moving the audience in different environments to dictate how they are supposed to behave
1:38:34- Rafael Hayashi:
1:40:53- Jacob describes Steven in one word
1:43:03- What’s next?
1:45:23- Stephen Gifford the set designer of Caught at District 798
The immersive company included Alexis Colianni, Carlo Figlio, Gray Gall, Stacia Marcum, Katie May Porter, Rebecca Rufer, and Alice Victoria Winslow.
Lighting Designer Derrick McDaniel
Project Designer Jeffrey Teeter
Sound Designer Crickets Myers
Costume Designer Halei Parker
Assistant Director Garrett Baer
Stage managed by Amanda Bierbauer, and the Assistant Sound Designer was Kelly Aburto
In association with:
Natalia Duncan Macker
Think Tank Gallery
1:46:36- Jacob asks Steven and Stephanie to close out by talking about the opening of the show
New York's "Sleep No More" is probably the most successful piece of immersive theatre of all time. But there are thousands of moving parts to this magical machine. Guest Cesar Hawas likes to describe the parts of this creative ecosystem as just that, magic, but there are tons of insights to how an arts company can get such an expensive building and keep it running and profitable. Cesar talks about the more ethereal parts of Sleep No More (run by the production company Emursive) and all of the inspiration that surrounds it at the McKittrick Hotel in our first remote episode recorded outside of California.
5:55 - Cesar Hawas
6:01- The Lodge at the Mckittrick Hotel
7:34- When and why The Lodge opened
10:05- What are the different experiences you can have in the McKittrick Hotel?
12:53- Creating complicated experiences
13:36- Film VS Broadway and theater
13:53- Have you done any productions on the West Coast?
14:51- Cesar talks about working on Broadway
15:08- Did you go to theater school?
17:39- Cesar goes into detail about acting
18:28- What was the first moment that you discovered Immersive theater/entertainment?
21:43- Cesar goes into detail about Sleep No More and why it is powerful
22:10- Noah Nelson:
Check out Artist Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:
24:23- The Queen Marry
27:53- Jacob asks Dino (Think Tank Creative Art Director), “when was the first time you were exposed to Immersive Art?”
29:26- What have you been hearing about Star Wars Land?
33:03- Sleep No More’s intention
33:43- How many times have you seen the show?
35:33- Cesar talks about one of the powerful aspects of Sleep No More
Sara Thacher Walt Disney Imagineering Research & Development
40:25- Dino shares his experience at Sleep No More
42:13 Is there any sort of guidance that you guys give on this?
43:31- Jacob’s worst fear
45:41- Cesar discusses following the narrative and the correlation between McBeth and Hitchcock
48:35- Jacob explains how he is happy with his choice of not reading MacBeth before Sleep No More
49:18- Is this the second time the show has been mounted; because it also happened in London.
49:25- Cesar breaks down the history of Sleep No More
52:20- Sleep No More’s audience
52:44- Cesar and Jacob touch on how there is no dialogue in Sleep No More which making it easy for people of every language to experience and enjoy
54:36- The most exciting aspect of Sleep No More
55:22- Supercinema at the McKittrick Hotel
Supercinema - Clue
Supercinema - Wizard Of Oz
Read more about the Supercinema parties:
57:52- Jacob touches on how being a host is a difficult task
59:09- The Universe is a Small Hat Trailer:
Learn more here:
1:04:02- Jacob asks Cesar if they survey people about their experience at Sleep No More
1:08:03- Does the art direction or improvisation of Sleep No More change at all or has it been the same for years?
1:10:11- The Heath
1:11:28- Gallow Green
1:15:11- Colin Nightingale
Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International
1:17:28- How big is the team that is programming ancillary spaces?
1:18:46- Sign up for mailings for upcoming events at McKittrick Hotel
1:19:46- Cesar touches on how they haven’t spent any money on advertising
1:23:24- How has the High Line affected the show or has the show affected the High Line?
1:25:05- How involved is Punchdrunk?
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Listen to some drunken (or in Noah's case punchdrunk) conversation between host Jacob Patterson and friends after wrapping up Noah's inaugural Immersive Design Summit. IDS 2018 brought together hundreds of creators, producers, and developers from all over the world who work in the quickly emerging world of immersive entertainment. Fields within this genre range from virtual reality to theatre to ASMR, and if any of this stuff interests you, be sure to check out the No Proscenium podcast or ask Jacob for an invite to the Everything Immersive private Facebook group. Hit us up on Instagram to chat, and enjoy our most off the cuff episode to date.
Check out Artists Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:
6:24- First Immersive Design Summit
7:28- Tom Pearson: Third Rail Projects Co-Artist Director
8:09- Then She Fell
Sleep No More
8:45- Jacob asks Tommy and Noah for advice on what he should do at Sleep No More
12:24- Art Basel
12:58- Jacob asks Tommy, “What was your overall lesson learned from the summit?”
14:20- Olivia Cueva
22:50- Noah explains how people heard about the Immersive Design Summit
24:42- Jacob asks, “What would say were the categories of attendees?”
26:50- Noah explains how they made conscious choices to make sure that this was an inclusive event
27:43- “What did you think of the town hall portion?”
30:47- Asking the audience, “what was the thing you saw that made you re-think your work?”
31:45- Tommy running into a scavenger hunt and finding a riddle when he was younger
33:46- When did you know there was a professional world of immersive entertainment?
37:44- When Tommy first experienced immersive experiences
38:43- Tommy reaching out to companies asking if he could work for them even if it's for free
39:30- Andrew McGregor:
Listen to episode #8 with Andrew McGregor
40:52- Tommy and Noah meeting for the first time an informational interview
43:08- Tommy and Noah ending up in a surprise meeting with the city of Los Angeles for permitting
45:43- Vince Meow Wolf
47:03- Read more about Candytopia and Happy Place and why they got shut down here:
52:20- Why did we not discuss the selfie palaces or the Ghost Ship?
Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:
54:57- “Tommy did you feel like it was missing from the conversation?”
57:22- Noah's opinion on discussing different business challenges with opening up a venue and needing the city on your side.
58:03- Sara Thacher
58:34- The institute
1:04:33- What was the moral of the story on that panel?
1:07:50- Budgets and rates
1:10:11- You have to make yourself valuable to the project
1:10:10- Nova Han
1:10:50- Jacob asks Noah, “What other panel did you moderate?”
1:13:54- Check out the Carne Y Arena exhibit at LACMA
1:15:08- Tommy what was your favorite moment at the Immersive Design Summit?
1:16:16- Diana Williams Content Strategist, Lucasfilm’s Story Group
Colin Nightingale Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International
1:17:14- Curtis Hickman Chief Creative Officer & Co-Founder, The Void
1:17:44- Christ Hickman THE VOID: Creating The Illusion of Reality
1:22:47- Jacob goes into detail about his favorite part at the summit
1:23:14- Melina Lauw Co-Creator, Whisperlodge
1:27:00-Serial Killers and Immersive theater
1:27:37- Summarizing Sara Thacher
1:28:55- How did you guys feel about Sara’s speech?
1:35:24- Final wishes for Immersive Design Summit 2019
1:39:58- Tommy Honton:
1:40:32- Noah Nelson:
1:41:35- Jacob Patterson
We're back! It's been a while since A.R.T. has posted an episode of our podcast, and a lot has happened in the interim. If you read between the lines (or read the "farewell letter" we published online after the LA Weekly story last year), then you know a bit of what happened, but our host Jacob Patterson takes a moment in this episode to break down what happened and where we're at because of it. If you don't give a damn and want to hear inspiring creators talk about how they're changing the world, skip this one and head over to the first full episode of Season 2 with the CEO of Meow Wolf.
0:18- What has happened to Artists Real Talk?
1:14- Check out the last episode recorded on Artist Real Talk
2:38- Why Think Tank stopped hosting the podcast, and what happened between season one and season two
3:47- Art Director Dino @nunquamdormio
3:52- Jacob’s assistant Elsa @hellsuh
4:00- Sleep No More immersive show in New York
5:34- What happened to Think Tank Gallery in general
6:00- LA Weekly following the think tank story
6:16- Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:
6:30- Scott Hove
6:37- Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:
6:55- LA Weekly
7:02- Think Tank’s Farewell letter to DTLA
7:30- Jacob goes into detail about what happened to Think Tank Gallery, what is 939 studio and what is Think Tank gallery doing next.
8:45- Scheduled inspections at Think Tank
10:33- Trap house event
12:23- Eviction notice
13:00 Think Tank creating a community a system where a community can run
16:57- Ammon Rost
18:02- Re branding / splitting the brand
19:47- Think Tanking only hosting rentals
20:25- Moving from DIY to “do it right” the difference between doing it yourself and doing it correctly so that it could live in its highest potential.
23:14- Cleaning up Think Tank to start renting it out
24:38- Does Think Tank have a social responsibility to re-sign the lease?
25:05- Drinkin’ Smokin’ West’ Coastin’ event
26:49- Dino the art director of Think Tank, stepping up and helping in inspiring ways.
28:40- Jacob explains how he had to take off his creator hat and put on his business man hat to looking at things more objectively.
31:11- Details about 939 Studio is an event rental site now, when someone wants an artistic collaboration they hit up think tank and from there they will decide if they will pitch it to 939 studio.
33:00- How Think Tank stopped wasting time pursuing things that couldn't be profitable enough to exist and started thinking outside the box
33:45- Think Tank’s event Legal Goods
Read more about it here:
34:03- You are here ll Shoot a cop
35:34- Listen to the podcast where Phil America pitches the Legal Goods idea
36:25- Jacob explains what Legal Goods was about
36:30- Greg Escalante
39:00- Selling art from convicts in Legal Goods
40:05- Bonita swap meet is located at 620 S Alvarado St, Los Angeles, CA 90057
40:03- How a lot of people got offended about a couple white dudes doing this event and the backlash that came from it
42:19- Check out videos of Jacob hanging out with children during the Legal Goods pop up:
42:29- Legal Goods Zine
42:48- Learning about the neighborhood through the children
43:22- Why Legal Goods was an important show for Think Tank
44:59- DSWC Group art show - a testament to LA
47:40 Check out the book Built to Last Successful: Habits of Visionary Companies
48:40- Meow Wolf giving Think Tank a grant
50:14- Scott Hove
51:15- Drinkin Smokin West Coastin - Group love hate letter to LA
51:54- How Jacob came up with the idea for DSWC
Read what people had to say about Drinkin’ Smokin’ and West Coastin’
59:42- Whitney bell
59:59- Whitney’s Dick Pic show