A.R.T. Artists Real Talk

It's been a long time coming, and Think Tank Gallery is proud to announce the release of our first podcast series! We've teamed up with some of our favorite artists, producers, directors and more to catch a deep glimpse into what it takes to turn an artistic vision to reality. We have been honored to work and be friends with some of the most inspiring people in LA and across the country, and for the last few weeks we have been bringing a grip of them into our new podcast studio to have some chill conversations over a beer or three. Join us in our freshly built podcast studio as we get ready for some dope shit.
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Apr 18, 2018

Allison is a very well-known Bay-to-LA (and back) street artist, having been featured on the cover of LA Weekly's People of the Year issue, Juxtapoz Magazine, and many other places. She's also navigated a wide variety of career situations that have informed her work. For our season finale, host Jacob Patterson stopped by her new house in Oakland to chop it up. Warning: we say "hyphy" and "hella" wayyyyyy too many times in this episode. 


8:17- Is San Jose the bay area or not?


8:57- Which part of Oakland are we in?


10:32- The Bay responding to the Ghost Ship fire


Read more about the Ghost Ship fire:


13:20- Vince CEO Meow Wolf



15:31- Why did you decide to come back to the bay?


17:08- Jacob ghost riding a car


17:25- Andrew bloody gums




Allison Hueman:


20:33- Drinkin Smokin West Coastin




21:23- Why move back to the bay?


22:06- Hueman talks about being homeless




26:52- Hueman talks about how she misses collaborating with people in Los Angeles


28:28- Hueman x Hyperlimbo


Hueman explains what Hyperlimbo means to her


31:31- What do you usually do on your drive from Oakland to LA?


34:04- From UCLA to The Brewery


35:03- Housing at Think Tank


35:57- What was it like at The Brewery?


39:16- Hueman talks about her experience with art and work


39:56- Hueman and legal issues 


42:40- Did you go to school for painting or design?


44:06- John Cena


44:56- Hueman talks about taking a video game design course


46:15- Monkey Island


47:19- What kind of things do you do to gather inspiration?


47:52- Larry King By,


49:28- Other Peoples Property by Jason Tanz,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch


49:41- LA Weekly Shuts Down Abruptly


52:57- Humans last design gig being for Playboy


53:03- Were things turned around by then or were you still broke?




54:57- Jacob talks about Playboy spitting sex positive feminism 


55:59- Whitney Kidd Bell


Read more about the Dick Pic Show:


58:34- Hueman talks about when she started doing murals 


1:01:32- Jacob talks about what he used to paint 


1:04:31- What kept Hueman from doing murals for years


1:06:42- Art Major






1:12:08- Ritual show by Hueman


Ritual show (teaser)


1:12:55- Hueman explains what the Ritual show was


1:13:36- Why it was called ritual


1:13:44- Jarell Perry






Brandon Monk


1:15:53- Built to Last by Jim Collins


The 50th Law by 50 Cent


1:16:48- The Room


The Disaster Artist


1:18:51- Hueman asks Jacob about the different colors he uses in his organizer 


1:21:36- Hueman touches on her “ritual”


1:23:09- Jacob talks about writing his to-do list


1:25:41 Jacob talks about how important “Coffeegraph” was


Recap on Coffeegraph:


1:26:25- Dino Nama


1:36:16 When did you realize you could do art full time and how did you balance it with commercial art?


1:37:16- Huemans trip to Europe


1:38:20- How do you curate commercial art opportunities?


1:38:32- How do you know when to say yes and when to say no?


1:41:31- Commissioned work 


1:44:23- Are your murals usually always commissioned?


1:44:44- Hueman talks about getting a grant


1:46:35- Do you have anything big coming up that you could talk about?


1:46:41- What do you want, if you could imagine what you see yourself doing within the next five years?

1:52:51- Hueman touches on what tools someone needs to be an artist


1:56:11- Where to find Allison Hueman:

Apr 5, 2018
Heidi Johnson has been putting the coolest art and events in front of the hippest people in LA for decades. In this episode she breaks down where PR and management cross over, how much of this stuff artists should be doing for themselves, and when it's time for you to get a manager. She also lets us in on some secrets of how to get your shit covered by the press. There's a lot of name-dropping in this episode, but every story is peppered with many years of wisdom, and by the end Heidi takes muthafuckas to school so don't miss the second half of this episode. We also share stories on the late Juxtapoz co-founder Greg Escalante since Heidi was one of the people closest to him in his final years. RIP Greg.

6:10- Can you talk about the new stuff you are doing with Corey Helford?




9:16- Scott Hove


12:06- Heidi talks details about herself and her mom Monica Johnson who was a screenwriter and novelist


18:26- Heidi talks about talent management and PR in the entertainment industry 


20:27-  Heidi talks about working on Renaissance Man (1994)


21:44- Being an assistant for Penny Marshall


23:38- Lillo Brancoto


A Bronx Tale Directed by Robert Di Niro


24:32- What are press junkets? 


26:01- Heidi talks about Entertainment PR




30:49- Learning how to deal with clients




32:27- Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode #24 with Creative Director Maca


37:31- Define what a publicist is




42:31- Engelbert Humperdinck


43:38- Heidi talks about signing a contract with Engelbert


44:31- Pitching to the Grammys 


45:53- Do artists often say no when you have a big idea that can be huge?


47:36- Jacob talks about what Heidi taught him with, “finding the story.”


48:43- When did you start Hijinx?


50:46- Robbie Conal










52:19- GRRL Scouts video




54:51- PR and relationships


55:16- Beyond The Streets


56:16- Art Basel


56:46- Heidi talks about her mom passing away weeks prior to Art Basel 


1:00:02- Working in LA


1:00:41- Allison "Hueman"


1:01:31- The Brewery Art Colony


1:02:10- Hold Up Art Gallery




1:09:25- How do you judge the feeling of what you should be doing vs what you shouldn't be doing?


1:10:14- Heidi talks about following her gut 


1:12:01- What is a manager and why is it useful to have one?


1:14:25- Are managers taking a percentage of everything you make or only off the projects you bring?


1:16:18- Heidi talks about what a manager should do for you– bringing rates up and getting your needs met


1:18:52- If someone is considering managing what kind of things do they need to be thinking about as they step into that new role?




1:20:56- Teddy Kelly


1:20:56- Heidi explains how working with friends is hard






1:28:46- Bobby Moline-Kramer


1:28:04- Annie Terrazzo


1:28:41- Heidi talks about being around to see social media emerge 


1:30:20- List building


1:31:46- Heidi talks about how important social media is


1:37:26 -


1:37:35- Odd Nerdrum




1:40:06- Greg Escalante


1:41:50- Corey Helford




1:45:35- Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk with Phil America


1:49:06- Heidi talks about how Greg Escalante has been remembered 




1:55:06- Do you have a four or five year path with the LA Art show that you guys are trying to build together?




2:00:26- Do you think this is something artists could do on their own without hiring a publicist?


2:01:46- Heidi suggestion to smaller galleries putting out press releases 


2:03:26- Where to find Heidi Johnson

Mar 29, 2018
Maca rode some wild waves while Quest Nutrition jumped to the billion dollar company range, as he built one of the world's best art departments. Part of that was hiring Dino Nama, who is now Think Tank Gallery's Art Director. The two reminisce on what it took to operate on such a level, the difference of running smaller and more mobile design agencies, and break down wtf an art department even is. They also have a lot of inside jokes (just warning you). By the end of the episode we discuss what it would take to really build perfection in a design agency or art department. 
7:00- Jacob obsesses over this. Srsly read it. He hasn't played Halo in seven years and still obsessed over
Also this is the JRE #999 with Quest Nutrition Co-Founder:


10:00- Dino explains who Maca is and why they brought him to the podcast


10:20- Intro to Maca


10:55- Quest


11:20- Dino goes into detail about Maca being his mentor and what he taught him


13:13- “Your success does not end at 5pm.”


16:06- Maca explains what he does 


16:22- Orcv creative director


16:40- The idea of a creative director 


20:11- How many teams have you been on? What is the range of sizes on those teams?


21:22- Dino explains what Quest is


21:59- Maca talks about when he joined Quest


23:45- Looking at Quest through the surface 


26:25- Jose Prada


28:03- Dino at what point did you come in? How many people were there?


28:39- What Dino did before Quest


30:38- University of Long Beach


34:50- Maca talks about his and Dino’s passion projects




36:02- Tony Robins


Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk




39:15- What was the goal for the file project? What would audiences consume?


42:28- Jacob talks about taking on a sales role


43:10- Stance socks




45:29- How would you separate the ideas of art and design 


47:52- Design is a problem solving tool that utilizes art


48:10- Story time with Dino 


51:50- Dino talks about being a FAKE vegan


56:05- What kind of art did you make before you tried going to college


1:00:05- Sweaty Betty directed by Joseph Frank and Zachary Reed


1:03:57- What does it mean to want to become a designer? What are the things that you need to learn?


1:05:07- Understanding how to carefully craft an image


1:05:33- Did you teach yourself photography?


1:06:47- Eric Kim


Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk with Eric Kim


1:08:59- Hueman


1:11:12- Photography— working without equipment 


1:12:55- Jacob asks Dino, what kind of art were you making before hand and have you kept it up?


1:14:29- Dino talks about painting in high school and doing photography in college


1:17:10- Jacob talks about when he used to market himself on social media


1:17:45- Mastery by Robert Greene


1:18:22- Do you feel artwork informs your professional creativity career or do you feel guilty that you have to set your artwork aside to focus on the other jobs you have?


1:20:44- Compromising vs Sacrificing 


1:21:07- One of the ways you express your creativity is with allowing yourself to find fulfillment in the tasks you are doing by day 


1:25:20- Guilt and trading your time for money


1:25:52- If you had to give advice to someone on how to make their day life fulfilling what would it be?


1:28:08- How did Quest end and how was it fulfilling enough to keep you there?


1:31:03- Define what you mean by the number one art department in the world


1:33:51- Describe to me what the greatest art department in the world would consist of


1:34:11- Maca talks about what will make a great art department 


1:36:00- The creative director needs to understand the vision


1:37:31- How can you have more than one creative director?


1:38:45- Waypoint Vice Magazine - Halo


1:41:25- How are different departments that are all design departments, all split up?


1:42:03- Co creative directing


1:43:00- Copy writers 


1:43:22- Jacob talks about his first marketing job


1:44:14- What is the shift in mindset as you start to grow as a company, taking on more clients


1:44:35- What is the change in mindset to go from a agency that has one creative director to having two?


1:47:21- What does a creative director do?


1:51:05- What is CMO?


1:44:08- Creative Hierarchy


1:51:32- Jacob asks Macs, “what is a design director?”


1:52:05- Jonathan Iva


1:53:06- What are the different things it would take if we are building the ideal agency?


1:58:13- When you envision orcv in thirty years, do you have any products that you guys are selling?


1:59:43- When you started this agency, did you have a philosophy for the brand?


2:00:55- Built to Last by Jim Collins


2:01:35- Maca goes into detail about his story and mission for orcv




2:05:09- How do you structure that mission?


2:06:33- Jacob talks about how studying Art History helped him


2:08:35- Dino talks about looking at Think Tank in the future


2:09:40- Think Tank being more involved with the community


2:12:45- Jacob asks Maca, “do you feel like it is your job to educate clients when they come to you?”


2:20:40- Debbie Millman design matters



Where to find Maca:


Where to find Dino:
Mar 21, 2018
Yoshino has been a professional photographer in LA for a long time, and during a rut in his personal life and art practice, he started a podcast to re-inspire himself. That podcast is now one of the bigger arts podcasts in the world, and he has built a career and company out of it. In true Yoshino style, he flips the interview and gets host Jacob Patterson to open up about some personal topics and open relationship beliefs he's never shared in public. 

6:03- Are you editing your show yourself, or do you have someone else doing it?


7:05- Jacob talks about interviewing people


8:04- Do you have a starting point when you are getting ready to interview somebody?


9:45- Have you been intimidated to interview anybody?


11:04- Yoshino talks about how much research he does prior to interviewing people


12:26- Check out Yoshino’s podcast Artist Decoded


12:37- Trump Rally Sean Dunne


Check out Artist Decoded Episode #45 with Sean Dunne


15:12- Psychedelic experiences


17:30- Jacob talks about his psychedelic trip


19:40- Scott Hove


Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:


28:32- Do you take psychedelics in a ceremonial way or celebratory way?


31:02- Annihilation with Natalie Portman directed by Alex Garland


33:04- Sphere Directed by Barry Levinson


35:10 Jacob talks about how he respects Yoshino for the way he into films with respect and thought


36:02: Yoshino talks about how he has a deep respect for writers and directors of film


36:38- Eyes Wide Shut Directed by Stanley Kubrick





39:40- Yorgos Lanthimos


40:20- The Killing of a Sacred Deer


The Lobster


41:06- David Lynch


41:19- Twin Peaks


42:07- Jacob talks about the first time he realized he wanted to be an artist


43:57- Jacob talks about selling sandwiches for lunch when he was younger


47:41- Yoshino asks Jacob one of the strangest things he’s been asked on a first date


51:49- Yoshino goes into detail about wanting to start a relationship podcast


53:29- Yoshino asks Jacob what makes you want to be in open relationships? 


1:05:59- Rebelling against a Christian background


1:07:27- Jacob talks about his new mindset with current relationships


1:08:31- Jealousy Vs Compersion 


1:10:05- Chris Ryan


Sex At Dawn


The Ethical Slut

1:12:57- What are you working on now, besides the podcast?


1:13:12- Yoshino goes into detail about his podcast and how he met his partner


1:14:34- Norberto Rodriguez


1:14:41- Quite Mornings event at MOCA


1:17:01- Do you guys have a contract?




1:19:21- What things do you do for music festivals?


1:20:09- how do you as a producer support Justin when he takes on another project?


Justin Hopkins


1:23:45- Artist representation 




1:25:43- Meow Wolf


1:30:40 Are you taking commission on sales from these artists?


1:30:55- Do you guys get a cut when you get them show with other people?


1:31:32- Do you promote everything they are doing, always?


1:32:37- How do you make sure your bills are paid every month?


1:33:52- Jacob talks about what is in store for Think Tank in the next few months


1:36:10- Immersive Arts Festival


1:38:10- Nova Han


1:38:55- The Chronicles of LA


1:41:33- Yoshino talks about the vaseline photo sculptures he makes and explains what that entails 


1:44:00-Jacob talks about Dinos role at Think Tank


1:44:55- Phil America


1:46:22- Museum of sex Female Gaze


1:50:46- Yoshino gives a recap of what to expect from Nohwave


1:51:59- Artist Decoded


1:52:17- Why does Artist Decoded exist? Why do you want it to continue to exist?


1:53:35- Are you going to keep your hour long episodes structured?

Mar 14, 2018
cARTel has done many things in the almost-decade that they've been shaping the experiential arts scene in LA. They've hosted fort parties, galaxy art shows with Bill Nye, giant sponsored activations, and been served a cease and desist by Coachella. The latter comes midway through the story of one of the largest and longest running DIY festivals in SoCal, fka Brokechella. Now called BrokeLA, it opens next month and has partnered with Spaceland Presents and the Regent for Anna's first year as the company's CEO. We dive deep into such an evolution, and also nerd tf out on some permitting stuff. This episode is a creative producer's playground.

Permitting survey:


11:40 - intro ends/interview begins


12:10 - How did you find your way into permitting?


13:15 - Intro to Anna 


13:24 - Did you come from the aesthetic side?


14:10 - Anna talks about cARTel, acting, staging and then combining them together.


15:05 - Visual art 


15:55 - Anna buying miller highlife at 19 and dropping the glass bottles from her balcony 


16:15 - Anna talks about Theater and the US Davis theater and dance program


17:05 - Why didn't you go to Berkeley instead of UC Davis?


17:55 - Bay to LA hate


19:11 - How was it being in a college town?


20:02 - Do they have production classes at Davis? How did you find yourself on the production side?


20:50 -


22:00 -


23:45 - Anna talks about her intern work at Deaf West


24:00 - Switched at Birth


26:00 - Brokechella


27:41 - Explain what Brokechella / Broke LA is


Check out what LA Weekly has to say about Brokechella:


29:56 - Was cARTel still called cARTel at that point?


30:30 -


30:24 - In ten years what did you picture yourself to be doing?


31:14 - Was there a theater element in Broke Beast? 


32:30 - Family Forest Theatrical Event


34:56 - YOU ARE HERE ll: Shoot a Cop 2013


36:47 - How as this presented? How many people made stuff?


37:38 - Anna talks about Brokechella becoming really successful 


40:20 - Do you have specific strategies to be introspective and make sure year by year the event is being honest for the audience?


42:50 - Deviant art


45:45 - Jacob talks about how he started as a YouTuber


46:29 - Listen to last seasons episode with Sarah Penna on business, and the economy of online content:


47:20 - How much has Brokechella grown?


47:30 - What was it at, at year three?


47:56 - When did you start implementing sponsors? 


48:33 - Jacob talks about Think Tank being sponsored by Lagunitas and how much they support art events


49:54 - Anna talks about Lagunitas supporting Brokechella and affiliate shows

49:15 - What kind of questions do you ask vendors on your surveys?


52:28 - Anna talks about asking the musicians what it felt like on their stage and if the production team was responsive


53:40 - Break Bread recap


53:59 - Scott hove:


Bakers Son:


55:50 - Have you had big important people to the fest drop off because they expected it to go in a different direction? 


58:59 - Anna talks about lighting installations 


1:00:27 - When did you start to transition from purely collective to more corporate structure? 


1:01:50 - Sexy Sax Man


1:02:53 - Adopting a business structure


1:05:19 - Oakland Ghost Ship Fire


1:06:35 - Do you have different verticals or is it all one thing now called cARTel agency?


1:07:12 - Fort exhibit by cARTel (2011)


1:09:24 - Galaxy: Science Art Party by cARTel (2012)


1:10:40 - Do you enjoy absorbing the energy of the audience?


1:11:51 - Jacob talks about not being able to chill out at parties 


1:13:43 - Oakland Warehouse safety coalition


1:13:54 -


1:16:23 - Why do permitting at all?


1:20:45 - Los Angeles permitting being disparate 


1:24:30 - Westminster** London permitting:


1:28:06 - Jacob talks about the cops coming in with squad cars and helicopters crashing an event


1:31:46 -


1:34:00 - Art Walk Wrongful Death Lawsuit Settled


1:46:05 -


1:46:09 - We couldn’t find any legit baby exorcisms :( please send them to us


 1:46:53 - The Happy Place




1:47:29 - Dino Nama:


1:51:26 - Tommy Honton:


Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 17 with Tommy Honton


1:53:50 - Anna talks about an Immersive project that is in the works– challenging and inverting dreams


1:55:24 - Jacob touches on the theme park industry


1:58:51- Why haven’t you started working in the theme park industry?


2:01:16 - Meow Wolf


Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 16 with Meow Wolf


Afterlife with cARTel at Angel City Brewery


2:03:28 - Sleep No More


02:05:00 - Cesar Hawas:




Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 18 with Sleep No More


2:07:15 - How do you make sure to stay true to learning experiences at your events while also focusing on getting the (at times) nearly impossible stuff done that it takes to throw a party? How do you make sure you have that content in there?


2:08:22 -


2:12:10 - Dinosaurus art event by cARTel


2:12:15 - Jacob touches on 939 Studio 


2:12:55 - Ecoset:


2:13:51- Burning Man


2:14:09 - Overnight festival at Joshua Tree


2:16:34 - Anna talks about being involved with Burning Man and running shifts


2:16:55 - How does something like Burning Man exist?


2:17:03 - EDC


2:22:07 - Stash House Escape House


2:24:54 - Have you seen sphere?


2:25:46 - What do you want in the future for cARTel and Broke La?


2:27:43 - Anna touches on things she wants for the permitting world


2:29:56 - What should people look out for with Broke LA? Why should they go? How can they go?


Where to by tickets:


2:31:47 - What makes it different now that you have the Regent for a couple days?


2:33:32 -



Mar 7, 2018
Katie Carita Partlow of Little Face Events has changed the way that Los Angeles perceives cannabis events. Recognized by such now-household names as Weedmaps and Rolling Stone, Katie is the go-to personality in the weed industry to get a finely tuned message across in an artistic way. She's been called the "Best Pot Party in CA" (Rolling Stone) and she has her sights set high on 2018. If you're interested in doing anything artistic with Mary Jane this year, this podcast episode is the place to start. 

6:46- Katie Partlow (Little Face Events)


5:53- Katie explains what Little Face Events is


7:06- When did you start this? 


14:09- Were you doing events before that?




14:49- Art Share LA


15:15- How long have you be in LA? Were you doing events anywhere else before you came here?


15:43- What caused you to make the jump from performing to throwing events?


18:49- Katie talks about trying to find the vibe she wanted after moving to LA.


23:21- Do you feel like burlesque has applied to your production life?


26:21- Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk Episode 20 to hear more about Drinkin’ Smokin’ & West Coastin’


26:39- Katie talks about bad experiences with smoking, and micro dosing. 




30:36- How did you get a show at ArtShare as one of the first things you’ve done?




33:46- When did you become dedicated to cannabis? 


36:37- Check out Little Face Events “The Afternoon Delight


39:23- Have you seen any plans for any ongoing restaurants that are introducing cannabis?


41:02- Recreational dispensaries 


42:58- Do you focus on making them accessible for beginners or is it a natural side effect to making your events comfortable?


44:20- How have your events had to change as this legal grey area has contracted over and over again during the years of you hosting these cannabis events?


49:09- Does it sound like they are enforcing this rule?


49:34- Have you talked to any authorities on the matter; or mainly lawyers?




51:31- Why do you take away peoples phones?


54:25- Do you come from a long line of potheads or are you the first one?


55:23- Katie talks about her dad being arrested for selling drugs to the U.S Air Force


59:24- Katie gets interrogated by a guy in a ski mask


1:02:53- Jacob talks about when he caught a case


1:04:18- Jacob asks Katie how her mom felt about her getting arrested 


1:06:21- Jacob going to anger management for unrelated crime


1:09:20- What is it about cannabis that you decided to dedicate a large portion of your to it?


1:11:31- What is your criminal record now?


1:14:01- People say we should not be rejoicing cannabis being legal when there are people in prison for it still. Do you have any plans to address that issue at all?


1:15:36- Katie talks about how she is looking for people who are dedicated to helping people who are incarcerated for weed-related charges






Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:


1:19:47- Is there an active social change going on to re-name marijuana into cannabis? 


1:20:46- Have you found people who are pushing to help people who have Marijuana crime record?


1:23:36- Jacob talks about Katie’s events representing freedom 


1:23:40- Students for sensible drug policy


1:24:16- How many events have you done now? 


1:26:24- Alanna


1:27:20- Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 20 for a recap of DSWC’


1:28:56- When I approached you to be chief cannabis officer for Drinkin’ Smokin’ West Coastin,' what did you think?


1:28:56- Wake and Bake with Roscoe’s


1:29:48- Read what LA Weekly had to say about Cannabis Cabaret


1:31:46- Did you want to theme it after cannabis prohibition?


1:32:42- Why Cannabis in your events?


1:33:16- Katie talks about wanting to take her events to different places




1:35:46- How do you get media like Rolling Stone and Leafly to come to your show?




1:37:31- Check out what LA Weekly had to say about Little Face Events Honey Trap


1:44:34- What is on the horizon for you?


1:44:51- Katie talks about wanting to do a fair event


1:45:54- What kind of people are you looking to partner with for something like this?


1:46:26- Tre Borde




1:48:46- Katie talks about permits for cannabis onsite consumption on fairgrounds 


1:49:36- Jacob talks about the benefits of having a cannabis fair


1:51:21- What is more immediate than that? Do you have more afternoon delights coming up?




1:53:02- Tommy Honton


Listen to Artist Real Talk episode with Tommy Honton & Noah Nelson



1:53:48- How can people find you and get into your events?


Mar 7, 2018

#repost! We took this episode down to make a crucial cut. If you heard it the first time, enjoy it again cuz it's that good! If you missed it, here's your chance to listen to the world's hottest immersive arts company spin gold through their CEO.

Feb 28, 2018

We've mentioned the trip that manifested DS&WC at Think Tank Gallery, the show that brought our gallery back into our old venue, but we haven't discussed the process of putting it on. Hundreds of people were involved in producing this massive arts and events series, and four of them sit down after breakfast to smoke a few bowls and talk about it in this episode. If you came to the show you'll love hearing what went into it, and if you didn't you'll love hearing our host's best friends ruthlessly mocking him for a couple hours. Long one but good one. 


5:40- Intro


6:08- Dino Art Director of DSWC


Danny Heidner Experience Designer of DSWC:


Andrew Production Lead of DSWC:


Jacob Bitch of DSWC:


8:51- What do you guys recall form that crazy month?


10:19- Dino gives a recap of Drinkin Smoking West Coastin


11:46- A group love hate letter to LA


11:58- What is this city?


12:06-Ghost Ship fire in Oakland


12:59- Listen to Season 2 Episode 0 of A.R.T Artist Real Talk “WTF happened to Think Tank Gallery”


19:16- Stephen Linsley


19:26- Ray Young Chu of Ray Mart


20:06- Whitney Bell


21:06- Danny talks about the biggest challenge of the show


21:39- Watch the video of Jacob and Danny


24:14- Check out more of Ray Mart:


27:15- Andrew goes into detail on the original idea of Ray Mart


27:46- Bloody Gums


28:06- INPUT Nano leafs installation


30:16- Andrew talks about his time and setting up his instillation for Blood Gums


30:38- LA is still trying to kill me being a smaller version of the bigger show in Chinatown “LA Is Trying to Kill me at Lei Min space.


33:30- Jacob goes over the two things they didn't use in the show


39:16- Watch the Think Tank x Weed Maps video with Ray Young Chu

other video?




45:36- Barfly written by Charles Bukowski


47:01- Jacob talks about all the good and bad of LA “love hate letter to LA”


47:40- Andrew talks about his part of the show for Bloody Gums






48:52- Larsen Sotelo


49:21- Jacob talks about not being from LA


49:53- Sinzi


Tune into A.R.T Artists Real Talk episode 6 with Sinzi Velicescu:


50:26- The truth about LA


53:20- Dino goes into detail about the colors he chose for DSWC







1:08:03- Dino talks about the retail side of DSWC


1:14:25- Jacob talks about not sleeping and the pressure that came along with the show


1:19:36- Jacob forgetting to put Danny on the list


1:20:25- Elsa Monroe


1:22:26- Graffiti book release party


1:28:16- Stephen Linsley


1:34:58- People thinking the vans shoes in the show were “free.”


1:43:39- Little Face Events


1:47:04- Dino talks about the making the DMV promo tickets and leaving them on random cars


1:54:26- Jacob talks about being sponsored by Playboy and the hidden arcade


1:59:34- What was your favorite event?


More coming

Feb 22, 2018

The last big show that was thrown with the Think Tank was a confusing one, for many reasons. Firefly Productions tricked the Think Tank into producing it, the Think Tank tricked its audience into attending it (#District798), and the actors tricked guests in every way shape and form. By the end, people even thought the weed was fake while they hit it. This show was described as a "mindfuck" by the media, and it encapsulated that word in every way. Whether you caught or missed the show, or caught the show but missed huge chunks of it (we don't blame you), this interview with Steph and Steven of Firefly is a crash course on how to give a viciously original take on priorly used content. Producers will love this episode. Artists will too.


Steven Klein and Stephanie Barnes from Firefly



7:31- District 798


8:00- Jacob tells Steven and Steph to give an intro about the last show Firefly and Think Tank have done


More about ‘Caught’ at District 798


9:10- Steven goes into detail about what Caught is




Read about what people thought about Caught at La Mama


14:53- Director Ed Sylvanus Iskandar


16:20- Who did the rehearsal process?


16:48- Caught being an immersive show and not in a theater


19:43- Did you guys hire an immersive company? Was it Ed’s company?


20:10- More of Tommy Honton


Listen to the Artist Real Talk Episode 17 with Tommy Honton


20:33- A lot of immersive theater is associated with horror in LA


21:43- Building a world around theater that is Immersive


24:08-  Stephen Gifford the set designer of Caught/District 798


28:28- Staff and actors hiding to watch how the audience reacted to the show


29:08- Stephanie and Steve go over the order of the show


30:27- Reactions from theater crowd vs art crowd


30:50- At what point did you approach me in the ideation process; early or right at the end?


31:23- Who was involved in the early stages?


32:39- Had you already discussed whether the gallery would be in on the joke or not before meeting us?


36:00- Jacob talks about the challenges


36:20- Liquor sponsors backing out because they didn't want to compromise relationships from China even though the show wasn't real.




40:57- Stephanie talks about the post show lounge


46:37- “Is this a gallery or a theater?”


47:39- Full Length Play


58:38- Stephanie talks about how the ticketing process was the most challenging part of the entire show


59:20- Jacob tells Stephanie and Steven to share the difficulties within making the show


1:01:23- Generating group sales


1:02:28- How do you market Caught/District 798


1:02:48- Creating an element of exclusivity and an element of getting approved


1:05:08- Five words to describe yourself and five words people would use to describe you


1:07:21- Jacob, Stephanie and Steven talk about how there needs to be an Immersive ticketing service that is customizable.


1:09:51- The ability to text characters from the show


1:11:33- Making sure the whole audience feels like one unit


1:12:45- Then She Fell


1:15:20- Steven goes into detail about how instead of feeling betrayed the audience felt safe


1:17:22- Jacob asks Steven and Stephanie, “how many productions have you done in front of a live audience?


1:18:07- The audience had a different energy every night. How wide was the shift from one night to the next, from one week to the next in our show; compared to other live productions you guys have done?


1:22:50- Steven talks about how the people with an Asian background seemed more relaxed vs the white audience who wasn't sure if they could laugh or if it was offensive.


1:25:40- Jacob asks, “was there a difference between the Fridays and Saturdays since some nights were alcohol and some were weed?”


1:26:28- Noah Nelson:


Check out Artist Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:


1:27:23- The talk back


1:31:15- Jacob asks, “what did you learn about the audiences who were coming to the talk back based on them thinking the show was over?


1:36:53- Moving the audience in different environments to dictate how they are supposed to behave


1:38:34- Rafael Hayashi:


Teddy kelly:


1:40:53- Jacob describes Steven in one word


1:43:03- What’s next?


1:45:23- Stephen Gifford the set designer of Caught at District 798


Caught’ starred:

Louis Ozawa

Jackie Chung:

Jessica Kaye:

Steven Klein:

Eston Fung:

Chrstine Lin:

Stephanie Barnes:

Peter Wylie:


The immersive company included Alexis Colianni, Carlo Figlio, Gray Gall, Stacia Marcum, Katie May Porter, Rebecca Rufer, and Alice Victoria Winslow.


Lighting Designer Derrick McDaniel


Project Designer Jeffrey Teeter


Sound Designer Crickets Myers


Costume Designer Halei Parker


Assistant Director Garrett Baer


Stage managed by Amanda Bierbauer, and the Assistant Sound Designer was Kelly Aburto


In association with:

Vs Theatre


Steven Klein


Stephanie Barnes


Natalia Duncan Macker


Think Tank Gallery


1:46:36- Jacob asks Steven and Stephanie to close out by talking about the opening of the show

Feb 14, 2018

New York's "Sleep No More" is probably the most successful piece of immersive theatre of all time. But there are thousands of moving parts to this magical machine. Guest Cesar Hawas likes to describe the parts of this creative ecosystem as just that, magic, but there are tons of insights to how an arts company can get such an expensive building and keep it running and profitable. Cesar talks about the more ethereal parts of Sleep No More (run by the production company Emursive) and all of the inspiration that surrounds it at the McKittrick Hotel in our first remote episode recorded outside of California. 


5:55 - Cesar Hawas


6:01-  The Lodge at the Mckittrick Hotel


7:34- When and why The Lodge opened




10:05- What are the different experiences you can have in the McKittrick Hotel?


12:53- Creating complicated experiences


13:36- Film VS Broadway and theater 


13:53- Have you done any productions on the West Coast?


14:51- Cesar talks about working on Broadway


15:08- Did you go to theater school?


17:39- Cesar goes into detail about acting


18:28- What was the first moment that you discovered Immersive theater/entertainment? 


21:43- Cesar goes into detail about Sleep No More and why it is powerful


22:10- Noah Nelson:


Check out Artist Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:


24:23- The Queen Marry


27:53- Jacob asks Dino (Think Tank Creative Art Director), “when was the first time you were exposed to Immersive Art?”


29:26- What have you been hearing about Star Wars Land?




33:03- Sleep No More’s intention


33:43- How many times have you seen the show?


35:33- Cesar talks about one of the powerful aspects of Sleep No More




Sara Thacher Walt Disney Imagineering Research & Development


40:25- Dino shares his experience at Sleep No More


42:13 Is there any sort of guidance that you guys give on this? 


43:31- Jacob’s worst fear




45:41- Cesar discusses following the narrative and the correlation between McBeth and Hitchcock


48:35- Jacob explains how he is happy with his choice of not reading MacBeth before Sleep No More


49:18- Is this the second time the show has been mounted; because it also happened in London.


49:25- Cesar breaks down the history of Sleep No More


52:20- Sleep No More’s audience 


52:44- Cesar and Jacob touch on how there is no dialogue in Sleep No More which making it easy for people of every language to experience and enjoy


54:36- The most exciting aspect of Sleep No More

55:22- Supercinema at the McKittrick Hotel


Supercinema - Clue


Supercinema - Wizard Of Oz


Read more about the Supercinema parties:



57:52- Jacob touches on how being a host is a difficult task




1:02:47- Inclusiveness 


59:09- The Universe is a Small Hat Trailer:


Learn more here:


1:04:02- Jacob asks Cesar if they survey people about their experience at Sleep No More


1:08:03- Does the art direction or improvisation of Sleep No More change at all or has it been the same for years?


1:10:11- The Heath


1:11:28- Gallow Green




1:15:11- Colin Nightingale 

Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International


1:17:28- How big is the team that is programming ancillary spaces?


1:18:46- Sign up for mailings for upcoming events at McKittrick Hotel


1:19:07- Marketing 


1:19:46- Cesar touches on how they haven’t spent any money on advertising 


1:23:24- How has the High Line affected the show or has the show affected the High Line?


1:25:05- How involved is Punchdrunk?



Find more of Cesar Hawas at:


Find more of Jacob Patterson at:


Find More of Dino Nama at:

Feb 8, 2018

Listen to some drunken (or in Noah's case punchdrunk) conversation between host Jacob Patterson and friends after wrapping up Noah's inaugural Immersive Design Summit. IDS 2018 brought together hundreds of creators, producers, and developers from all over the world who work in the quickly emerging world of immersive entertainment. Fields within this genre range from virtual reality to theatre to ASMR, and if any of this stuff interests you, be sure to check out the No Proscenium podcast or ask Jacob for an invite to the Everything Immersive private Facebook group. Hit us up on Instagram to chat, and enjoy our most off the cuff episode to date. 


6:00- Intro


Noah Nelson:


Check out Artists Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:


Tommy Honton:


6:24- First Immersive Design Summit


7:28- Tom Pearson: Third Rail Projects Co-Artist Director


8:09- Then She Fell


Sleep No More


8:45- Jacob asks Tommy and Noah for advice on what he should do at Sleep No More


12:24- Art Basel


12:58- Jacob asks Tommy, “What was your overall lesson learned from the summit?”


14:20- Olivia Cueva




22:50- Noah explains how people heard about the Immersive Design Summit


24:42- Jacob asks, “What would say were the categories of attendees?”


26:50- Noah explains how they made conscious choices to make sure that this was an inclusive event


27:43- “What did you think of the town hall portion?”


30:47- Asking the audience, “what was the thing you saw that made you re-think your work?”


31:45- Tommy running into a scavenger hunt and finding a riddle when he was younger


33:46- When did you know there was a professional world of immersive entertainment?


37:44- When Tommy first experienced immersive experiences 


38:43- Tommy reaching out to companies asking if he could work for them even if it's for free


39:30- Andrew McGregor:


Listen to episode #8 with Andrew McGregor


40:52- Tommy and Noah meeting for the first time an informational interview 


43:08- Tommy and Noah ending up in a surprise meeting with the city of Los Angeles for permitting 


45:43- Vince Meow Wolf


47:03- Read more about Candytopia and Happy Place and why they got shut down here:






52:20- Why did we not discuss the selfie palaces or the Ghost Ship?


Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:


54:57- “Tommy did you feel like it was missing from the conversation?”


57:05- Vince


Justin Fix


57:22- Noah's opinion on discussing different business challenges with opening up a venue and needing the city on your side. 


58:03- Sara Thacher


58:34- The institute




1:04:33- What was the moral of the story on that panel?


1:07:50- Budgets and rates


1:10:11- You have to make yourself valuable to the project


1:10:10- Nova Han


1:10:50- Jacob asks Noah, “What other panel did you moderate?”


1:13:54- Check out the Carne Y Arena exhibit at LACMA


1:15:08- Tommy what was your favorite moment at the Immersive Design Summit?


1:16:16- Diana Williams Content Strategist, Lucasfilm’s Story Group

Colin Nightingale Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International


1:17:14- Curtis Hickman Chief Creative Officer & Co-Founder, The Void


1:17:44- Christ Hickman THE VOID: Creating The Illusion of Reality


1:22:47- Jacob goes into detail about his favorite part at the summit


1:23:14-  Melina Lauw Co-Creator, Whisperlodge


1:27:00-Serial Killers and Immersive theater


1:27:37- Summarizing Sara Thacher


1:28:55- How did you guys feel about Sara’s speech?


1:35:24- Final wishes for Immersive Design Summit 2019




1:39:58- Tommy Honton:


1:40:32- Noah Nelson:


1:41:35- Jacob Patterson

Feb 2, 2018

We're back! It's been a while since A.R.T. has posted an episode of our podcast, and a lot has happened in the interim. If you read between the lines (or read the "farewell letter" we published online after the LA Weekly story last year), then you know a bit of what happened, but our host Jacob Patterson takes a moment in this episode to break down what happened and where we're at because of it. If you don't give a damn and want to hear inspiring creators talk about how they're changing the world, skip this one and head over to the first full episode of Season 2 with the CEO of Meow Wolf. 


0:18- What has happened to Artists Real Talk?


1:14- Check out the last episode recorded on Artist Real Talk


2:38- Why Think Tank stopped hosting the podcast, and what happened between season one and season two


3:47- Art Director Dino @nunquamdormio


3:52- Jacob’s assistant Elsa @hellsuh


4:00- Sleep No More immersive show in New York


5:34- What happened to Think Tank Gallery in general


6:00- LA Weekly following the think tank story


6:16- Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:


6:30- Scott Hove


6:37- Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:


6:55- LA Weekly



7:02- Think Tank’s Farewell letter to DTLA


7:30- Jacob goes into detail about what happened to Think Tank Gallery, what is 939 studio and what is Think Tank gallery doing next.


8:45- Scheduled inspections at Think Tank


10:33- Trap house event



12:23- Eviction notice


13:00 Think Tank creating a community a system where a community can run


16:57- Ammon Rost


18:02- Re branding / splitting the brand


19:47- Think Tanking only hosting rentals


20:25- Moving from DIY to “do it right” the difference between doing it yourself and doing it correctly so that it could live in its highest potential.


23:14- Cleaning up Think Tank to start renting it out


24:38- Does Think Tank have a social responsibility to re-sign the lease?


25:05- Drinkin’ Smokin’ West’ Coastin’ event


26:49- Dino the art director of Think Tank, stepping up and helping in inspiring ways.


28:40- Jacob explains how he had to take off his creator hat and put on his business man hat to looking at things more objectively.


31:11- Details about 939 Studio is an event rental site now, when someone wants an artistic collaboration they hit up think tank and from there they will decide if they will pitch it to 939 studio.


33:00- How Think Tank stopped wasting time pursuing things that couldn't be profitable enough to exist and started thinking outside the box


33:45- Think Tank’s event Legal Goods


Read more about it here:



34:03- You are here ll Shoot a cop





35:34- Listen to the podcast where Phil America pitches the Legal Goods idea


Phil America:

Instagram @philamerica




36:25- Jacob explains what Legal Goods was about


36:30- Greg Escalante


39:00- Selling art from convicts in Legal Goods


40:05- Bonita swap meet is located at 620 S Alvarado St, Los Angeles, CA 90057


40:03- How a lot of people got offended about a couple white dudes doing this event and the backlash that came from it


42:19- Check out videos of Jacob hanging out with children during the Legal Goods pop up:


42:29- Legal Goods Zine


42:48- Learning about the neighborhood through the children


43:22- Why Legal Goods was an important show for Think Tank


44:59- DSWC Group art show - a testament to LA



47:40 Check out the book Built to Last Successful: Habits of Visionary Companies



48:40- Meow Wolf giving Think Tank a grant


50:14- Scott Hove


51:15- Drinkin Smokin West Coastin - Group love hate letter to LA


51:54- How Jacob came up with the idea for DSWC


Read what people had to say about Drinkin’ Smokin’ and West Coastin’


59:42- Whitney bell


59:59- Whitney’s Dick Pic show











Feb 22, 2017

Nova Han has been producing shows on the scale of Coachella and Night on Broadway for years, but she still spends every moment thinking about the individual interaction with her work. While 50,000 people may be jumping in unison, Nova still attempts to create personal memories for each one of her guests, and she does so through a very solid consciousness that she works through every day in various fields of creation. We talk about her career through theater and into creative direction on some of the most well-known public events in the world, and what it takes to work on such a large stage while maintaining a sense of discovery. 


0:00- Intro




1:35- Find us at 


2:27- Making the steaks high


3:51- Learn more about the Oakland Ghost ship fire here:


7:43- What are you thinking about doing with your warehouse space?


8:20- Nova goes into detail about what she is aiming to create in her warehouse. Creating an artistic playground for adults that bring them back to a play state and allowing people to go through a physical challenge where they are required to use teamwork. Nova believes in creating a venue where people can explore space in an artistic way.




Scott hove:


9:13- Trap house:


12:13- A lack of experience and places where adults can go to play


14:00- Jacob and Nova explain what Meow Wolf is while giving their thoughts on the success they have encountered and their immersive art space


17:02 - “Lets make something really cool and sophisticated and not just weld together a grocery cart and satellite dish and call it art”


17:25- How did you start?




20:00- Nova goes into detail of what she did in the circus and how spitting fire lead to lighting her ass on fire


20:53- What made you go from the performance side to the director side?




21:30- Read more about Einsteins theory


22:54- Nova explains how she follows her highest attraction even when she does not understand her path


22:40- Nova getting scouted at Coachella 


23:50- Were you hired at Coachella as a a contractor to produce something for them?


24:40- Listening to your calling


24:56- From a business women's perspective how do you make sure that someone can find you after seeing the work you created? Do you have to create some pathway for that?


25:40- “People will find you if you put out powerful good work.”


27:51- Did you have periods where you were struggling to get where you wanted too be while not getting paid?




30:22- Not stopping what you love to do because of societies standard of a real job


30:41- Can you remember specific moments where you were doing projects that you weren't getting paid for but spent hours on them because you loved them? Did you ever take too many in a row and started to get scared?


32:14- Looking at the “why you are doing it.”


32:37- Jacob talks about transiting from the Think Tank to other work


33:00- Listen to Mark Schustrin on Episode 3: The science of sales, selling art from auctions to Instagram and find more of him here:


35:21- Searching internally for who you are


36:00- Do you have methods to answer the question of “why” for yourself? 


36:18- There is nothing to figure out, every day you are changing and evolving from new experience and approaching yourself daily


37:00- Nova goes into detail of how she makes time for discovery by following what excites her like traveling, jewelry making and pottery— by allowing yourself to follow what you are passionate about outside of work it will potentially give you that extra knack that'll help you in work areas. 


39:40- “I am in the state of discovery”


40:20- Creativity is a tank you fill up 


41:17- Graphic designers 


41:40-Blake Neubert


43:38- Built to Last book


Steve Jobs biography


45:12- Walter Issacson


46:44- How to stay inspired


48:05- John F Kennedy 


49:00- Nova talks about hanging out with Elon Musk and a conversation they had about why he wanted to go to outer space


Who is Elon Musk?


51:00- Art creating an awakening in people


52:10- Staying inspired, creating inspiration and people being able to whiteness themselves through yourself.


52:40- Finding a tight group of people who value what you do 


52:50- Setting audacious goals to keep yourself inspired




54:40- What goals have you set that are large?


56:30- Jacob talks about how kids think their ideas are irresponsible 


57:51-When you do come up with an idea and you have to change it significantly to make it real, where do you decide to compromise?


1:00:08- Have you noticed that as you gone through your 20’s and into your 30’s that you've become more flexible with your ideas or more firm?


1:01:00- Fighting for an artistic vision and trusting yourself


1:02:03- When did you discover that it only takes a little bit of extra time to make something extraordinary?


1:02:22- When did you first step into the position of saying, “okay Im a director now?”


1:06:00- Nova goes into detail about how in the beginning she didn't feel comfortable taking on the title of a creative director leadership role 


1:07:10- Do you feel like you ran into struggles because you are a woman of color?


1:08:20- Navigating your approach 


1:09:20- Do you remember any specific instances where you struggled to find that truth in your interactions?


1:11:00- “The idea of a good leader initiates difficult conversations.”


1:11:55- Have you always been able to initiate difficult conversations?


1:13:00- Nova explains what it was like growing up within an asian culture 


1:15:26- How having theater as an outlet helped Nova


1:17:55- What was the relationship with your parents like after your show?


1:20:10- Explain some of your productions. What are you creating for people now and why?


1:23:32- Worlds largest functional pin wheel


1:25:15- Did you know you were going to make it in the Guinness World Records before you did it or did you find out after?


1:25:51- Was this narrative explained to the audience?


1:28:51- How do you deal with something that doesn't plan out the way you wanted it too?


1:31:00- Being visually upset and having public freak outs


1:33:00- Moving through bad situations with grace


1:34:07- Jacob goes into detail about two things he likes to live by. One, is to take a moment step back and watch what people are experiencing. The second is to “do it to the best of your ability until its done,” and then when its done make two binders one saying what went well and what went poorly to look back on. 


1:36:00- Making failures an asset to you


1:38:14- What kind of setting do you aspire to make when you are approached for festivals now? When you approach the electric forest festival every year; what kind of goals do you set out with for those productions?


1:40:11- Do yo have a set team that you work with now?


1:40:27- Nova talks about creating a permanent space where people can come to regularly for interaction and like-minded people 


1:43:09- Where can people find you?


Feb 15, 2017

My Haunt Life is the best place for long form content that any LA-based scare fiend can find. While their basis is most certainly haunts, Mike and Russell cover everything from haunted houses to immersive theatre. The latter is really where this conversation takes off, and we go pretty deep on certain topics that provide insight and opportunity for creators looking to make a tangible impact on their guests. There is no better source to find out about the most cutting edge stuff in the immersive haunt world, so diving into how Mike and Russell see that world at this moment is a real treat. 



0:00- Intro


7:06- Night on Broadway


8:43 Introduction Russell and Mike from My Haunt Life


10:55- What is a ARG? An alternate reality game (ARG) is an interactive networked narrative that uses the real world as a platform and uses transmedia storytelling to deliver a story that may be altered by players' ideas or actions.




13:33- Mike are you really experienced in ARG’s? when was the first one you ran into?


17:03- Tune into episode 11 to hear more about Noah Nelson and the Tension Experience


17:43- How did you guys find the Tension Experience?


22:10- Ron English Hulk:


24:03- How did they first get out the information for the Tension Experience?


25:33- Thoughts on the Tension experience and how Russell and Mike believe it is the best thing in Los Angeles




Annie Lesser:


29:21- Read about the upcoming shows Russell and Mike mention at


29:38- How often do you find the process of people wanting to be apart of it then people falling off? Is there a pattern within the personal line that is crossed with the people who fall off or does it move show to show?




32:23- Jacob goes into detail of how Immersive theater is a great way to flip the art world upside down. 


33:13- Karen Finley


36:18- How do you think the experience was for the people who only went to the haunt portion of the Tension Experience?


45:09- What do you think would have happen if you changed your character and started reacting in the opposite way?


46:43- If you had to suggest an experience to the audience which one would it be?


Lust Experience:


48:33- Where would you suggest the audience to start at, to those who have not been exposed to the Immersive theater?


50:03- Is there a way for the people who weren't involved with the tension experience to get caught up?


52:03- Thoughts on how The Haunt life documented The Tension Experience on their podcast


53:43- Jacob goes into detail about how and why he first got off-put about the Immersive world


54:33- Megan Reilly:


54:58- Scott Hove:




55:33- Russell and Mike explain why they do what they do with “My Haunt Life”, and how they wanted to give real genuine reviews for the people.


59:33- Russell and Mike go into detail about the Immersive world and how “there is a difference between creating a show where you want to pull them in and involve them and then you have the other thing where someone in the audience is forced to do something they don't want too.”


59:33- On your guy’s podcast you break down honest reviews on Immersive shows, going into detail about what was good/bad from both of your point of views and you then end it with the show as a whole- has this been a structure since then start, or did it come naturally?


1:02:28- What were you guys doing before, you said it was a craigslist add?


1:04:13- Did you guys meet at Scare LA?



1:05:03- The story of how Russell and Mike met


1:09:44- Flying Lotus Film


1:10:44- The Queen Marry



1:11:18- Matt Durado:




1:13:13- The Hollywood Fringe Fest will have an Immersive show category this year learn more details at


1:14:43- Teri Hatcher


1:15:43- Russell, did you have a background in theater?


1:20:33- Mike, how did you get into the haunt world?


1:25:14- Speakeasy


1:25:23- Jacob goes into detail about when he went to a Immersive haunted experience alone and how it impacted him




1:37:34- The Rope Experience:


1:40:33- Russell talks about weird experiences with fans since he is in the Blackout documentary and how haunts have to sometimes deal with overactive fans




1:46:35- A lot of people go to Knott's Scary farm or the Queen Marry because this is what they know. Now things are starting to spread with the Immersive world and with all the knew people learning about these Immersive shows, they do not know the rules how do you think producers should handle their new audiences?


1:50:03- Escape rooms and people ripping and or breaking pieces


1:50:45- Its the communities responsibility to approach escape rooms and Immersive theater shows appropriately 




1:55:17- What advice would you give to people who are already making shows or who want to step it up in this world?


1:57:13- “Create, take risks, invite people in to what you create but respect them for taking the risk  to follow you.”


2:00:03- Producers need good customer service


2:03:33- How do you bring customer service during an Immersive experience without breaking character?


2:04:55- What happens to you when its not haunt season? What are you guys up too right now and what are you looking forward too?


2:05:28- If you could suggest a show right now what would it be?


2:07:11- What are you guys looking forward to with Scare LA coming up this summer?


2:07:56- Find more of Russell and Mike at


Find different events of escape rooms and Immersive shows at


If you are visiting LA and don’t want to do tourist things, check out


Call 515-HAUNTLA if you want to leave Mike and Russell creepy messages

Feb 8, 2017

It's impossible to describe Phil America's work, and that fact is very important to him. Our host Jacob Patterson and Phil are from the same working man's town in NorCal, and they relate on many topics. Because of that, this podcast gets deeper than any we've done so far. Discussing what it means to be an American and an artist at the same time is what we are all doing nowadays, but it's something over which Phil has been obsessing for years. And that obsession expresses itself in many ways, oftentimes illegally. 


0:00 - Intro




6:02 - What do you do?




6:19 - Not being exclusively stuck in a box




6:50 - Are you still a graffiti artist? When did you start?




7:32 - What were the first trashiest tags you were putting together? Did you use pens or spray cans?




9:02 - Was this the first art you did period?




9:14 - Art VS. Vandalism




12:02 - Phil explains what his favorite type of art is




14:02 - Social media echo chamber 




14:42 - Do you consider yourself on the other side of people who are putting up gang graffiti?




16:02 - Calling social media activism when it really doesn’t do much




16:42 - At what point after 13-14 years old did you start writing things on the walls that you wanted people to see (with a social agenda)?




18:32 - You started sharing photography and publishing books; when did that start and what was the thought process behind it?




19:42 - Learn more about who Jean- Michel Basquiat is at




21:02 - Street art and the media are two different worlds. Do you think there are more areas now where these two worlds combine?




22:22 - “Graffiti is the only art form that was created by the youth.”




23:16 - What came next for you after tagging?




23:42 - Phil gets into detail of who graffiti train painters are and what they do




25:47 - When did you find your interest in graffiti train painters?




26:19 - Were you in a crew In Sacramento?




26:32 - When did you take the step of being an artist instead of just painting trains?




28:22 -




28:52 - How Phil realized he was more than just a Graffiti artist and a photographer




29:24 - Why did you choose to go to Europe?




29:32 - Phil’s published books




29:55 - Phil goes into detail about realizing he does not want to restrict himself to only photography




31:18 - Is your graffiti work documented somewhere?




33:07 - You say that these graffiti artists don’t care about anything other than getting their respect at the same time you personally don't care if you suck or if you are good— you care a lot about the culture and getting in there to document them. When did this shift change from you painting to caring more about the culture?




35:07 - Where did you go to prison and for what?




36:32 - People viewing you through a lens of being straight white male




37:44 - An Interpol notice is an international alert circulated by Interpol to communicate information about crimes, criminals and threats from police in a member state (or an authorized international entity) to their counterparts around the world.




39:32 - Principle and conviction




39:52 - Did you make work in prison, if so what kind?




40:42 - Project in Thailand white ambition




41:42 - The caste system in India is a system of social stratification which has pre-modern origins, was transformed by the British Raj, and is today the basis of reservation in India. It consists of two different concepts, varna and jāti, which may be regarded as different levels of analysis of this system.




44:22 - Project in Thailand




45:12 - What was the first thing you did when you were in Bangkok since you didn’t take your camera?




46:29 - Phil touches on how he got in touch with the mafia in Thailand




48:00 - In Thailand the Thai people look down upon the slum people. Phil managed to find away that connects the both of these worlds. He placed both sides together in hopes of sparking conversations between the two in which he succeeded. His only hope is that this will lead somewhere in the future.




49:22 - Do you think there was some sort of difficulty while trying to express this project truthfully since you are a white american?




51:00 - Phil questions why it was okay for him to go to a higher part of the town but not the slum part of town




52:22 - “The language of art”




54:22 - How shortly after this project did you get arrested over there?




55:02 - What was it like being a white dude and coming out on the newspaper while in jail?




55:53 - How long were you in jail for?




56:53 - Phil explains how going to jail influenced him




59:12 - “If my mom can’t understand it get the fuck out of my face!”




01:01:52 - Phil is able to have conversations with people that he sees are voiceless, in a certain realm. He does not make his art work to them, he makes it for them.




1:03:47 - What was the moment you were like okay i’m going to prison?




1:04:00 - Phil taught at a school in Thailand, and by doing this him and his team helped thousands of people out of poverty.




1:05:42 - Did you get to call anyone from back home to let them know you were getting locked up?




1:09:32 - At what point did you decided to start calling yourself Phil America, how does it make you feel when you are called that?




1:11:42 - Taking American for granted




1:15:12 - Separating and using different names for different creative projects.




1:16:36 - Listen to Shelley’s podcast episode #5 and find more of her at






1:17:07 - Creating a story for the name you chose




1:19:17 - How have you moved up from each project you’ve done- from graffiti to photography etc




1:20:32 - Using the best language people will understand to get messages across




1:22:07 - What was the first instillation you did, was it in Europe?




1:22:42 - “Pictures are not worth a thousand words.”




1:24:02 - Phil’s thoughts on only creating art that is powerful




1:24:32 - Do you have ideas that are aesthetic? 




1:28:01 -




1:29:07 - Where do you draw the line when people are emailing you trying to take advantage of your connections etc?




1:31:42 - Phil gets into depth about how the people he wants to help are the ones who aren’t asking for help. 




1:33:42 - Jacob and Phil’s thoughts on not putting your name on every project you do, or the help you give.




1:35:12 - Shelley Holcomb




1:35:52 - Building relationships with sponsors




1:38:52 - Jacob speaks about how instillation art is important. In today’s society people are drawn to art that they can snap a photo of to post on Instagram while tagging their friends which is good exposure for the artist. 




1:40:22 - The language of art 




1:41:30 - Built to Last by Jim Collins and Jerry I. Porras




1:43:42 - Jacob and Phil’s thoughts on Millennial's having a complicated relationship with work and the American Dream.




1:44:50 - “Who does the most work, the best work the hardest work and who's the most clever.” 




1:46:36 - Good is a subjective term hard work is not- to Phil working the hardest does not mean it is the best work but at the end of the day it is something he respects.




1:48:56 - Understanding a process Vs time




1:49:27 - See more of Phil’s art instillation of sneakers made into a flag




1:52:02 - What it means to be an artist and an american at the same time




1:53:22 - Super bowl rant/Tom Brady/Lady Gaga.




1:56:27 - See the trailer for the dance show by Daniella Agami




1:58:01 - Jacob gets into detail on a collaborative idea that both him and Phil hope to create. This project will involve sections of the border between Mexico and America; making references to politics. This piece can help for a mediative inspection of those ideas 




2:07:22 - Phil speaks about Donald Trumps idea of creating a wall and how it is not something new that does not exist. This wall specific wall already exists and Phil believes people are critical of the idea of walls, not this wall. People are against the idea of keeping people out of somewhere when they are just looking for a better life. 




2:08:42 - The American Dream, how it’s fallen, the mistaken angle in the belief that we can “Make America Great Again” – case in point, Americana:




“From the mid through late 20th Century, Americana was largely associated with nostalgia for an idealized life in small towns and small cities in America around the turn of the century, from roughly 1880 to the First World War, popularly considered "The Good Old Days".[10] It was believed that much of the structure of 20th Century American life and culture had been cemented in that time and place”






The zeitgeist of the idealized period is captured in the Disneyland-style theme parks' Main Street, U.S.A. section (which was inspired by both Walt Disney's hometown of Marceline, Missouri and Harper Goff's childhood home of Fort Collins, Colorado),[12] as well as the musical and movie The Music Man and Thornton Wilder's stage play Our Town.[10] Especially revered in Americana nostalgia are small town institutions like the barber shop,[13] the drug store/soda fountain and ice cream parlor,[14]




2:10:42 - Your name has defined you and your work; with this crumbling American dream how do you reconcile this




2:13:14 - Phil explains what his idea of the American Dream means, “It’s a feelings it’s an emotion its something you can’t bottle up. America is a place where you are allowed to dream.”




2:16:52 - Americans taking what they have for granted




2:21:54 - If the way you are trying to communicate your message makes it so there is no receiver, from that point longer it is no longer a message because it wont get to the receiver. 






2:22:59 - Kafka’s “Metamorphosis” and the idea of being worthless to even your family if you are unable to do good work – a reflection of American ideals from a German author






2:23:42 - Phil’s comments on street art - how putting a label/placing it in a box immediately takes away from what the person is saying from viewing it through a specific lens.




2:27:22 - What are you working on next?






Find more about Phil America at:



Jan 18, 2017

We really want to experiment with the format of this conversational show, and this week our co-host Jacob Patterson sits down for a conversation with two team members. Art Director Dino Nama and Real Talk Research Assistant Madelyn Flores listed a bunch of questions they put together after listening to prior shows and looking over some Think Tank exhibits. Patterson does a hell of a job stumbling through them and only answers like 5% of them in an hour... we also provide a little context for who Think Tank is and where we currently stand in the scheme of things. Enjoy this "behind the scenes" episode and let us know what you think!


0:00- Intro 


1:23 - Reflecting on the podcast


2:40 - Jessica Bley


3:40 - Jacob gets into detail of how he got into the art world


6:15 - Transition to podcast questions 


7:27 - When the Think Tank gallery was originally created what was the initial vision for the gallery? has that vision shifted along the way?


7:50 - John kennamann


8:50 -


9:20 -


11:48 - Adam Bowden:



12:10 -


12:45 - Putting go pros on couches and throwing them off roofs


12:15 - Sarah Penna’s Instagram and Twitter @sarah_penna


15:00 - Jacob explains what the Think Tank Gallery has become


15:40 - Where do you guys see the Think Tank Gallery at in 1 or 2 years? Has the gallery had a steady growth or has there been some set backs along the way? If so, how did you guys knock out those set backs?


16:03 - Jacob under threat of being arrested and went to court for an event


18:25 - Head butting a police captain 


21:48 - What is your PR strategy moving forward?


22:50 - Moving out of the current Think Tank Gallery location


23:00 -


25:05 - What are you guys defined by? 


26:07 - If the Think Tank Gallery has to move locations, what does that mean for you guys?


28:40 - Tune into episode 8 for more on Andrew McGregor and his inspirational missions


29:28 - Looking back at episode 1 with Matt Dorado is it possible to make an event or production too simple? What critical details need to be paid attention to in every podcast?


Matt Dorado:


30:00 - What builds a Think Tank production now?


32:45 - Knowing the basics of what can shut down a production


34:00 - What are the philosophies in your life, do they relate to Andrew McGregor’s (episode 8)?


36:08 - The idea of an employer vs an employee


37:42 - How does the gallery balance taking on multiple projects at the same time; do you have any tips for the listeners?


38:45 - Separating what is urgent and what is important


41:46 - “The important things can get done before everyone wakes up or after everyone leaves the office.”


44:00 - How have you seen the podcast progress in both technical and artistic terms up to this point?


46:40 - Seth Goden


The Time Ferriss Show Ep #177 with Seth Godin


49:00 - How have you focused your energy after the presidential election? Do you mix politics with your work at Think Tank Gallery?


50:50 - The Think Tank stepping out and not being afraid to say things that need to be said


54:45 - The desert with Scott Hove and mushroom trips (hear the full story on episode 


55:15 - Kiran Gandhi:


55:26 - In what ways have you as directors had to exhibit improv skills similar to Jackie’s from Traphouse?


57:30 - Jacobs thoughts on having content before sharing and letting it exemplify what it is you do; not gunning for that big break unless its there.


1:02:11 - Next event at Think Tank Gallery Drinkin' Smokin' & West Coastin’ 3/18-4/20 stay updated at


Where you can find Jacob Patterson: 


Jan 11, 2017

Noah started NoPro when he decided that he wanted to find out more about the world of Immersive, and found there was no newsletter to follow. Years later he runs the definitive Guide to Immersive Entertainment in newsletter and deep-dive, long-form podcast format. He also records his show in our studio. We talk about the Ghost Ship fire, the world-changing Tension Experience, the fertile grounds for creation in LA, what Immersive Theatre is and how the term is abused, Think Tank's Trap House show, the paradigm-shifting advancements in VR, and the most important things that have happened in these worlds. If you don't know what Immersive is, you're in for a major lesson on what is in theory the most impacting art form in the world. If you do know what Immersive is, then you know Noah and you're excited to listen to this episode already. 


3:51 - Introduction 


5:57 - How do you feel about coming off haunt season?


6:41 - Noah’s thoughts on soul searching


8:21 - Noah’s day job with journalism, art and conflict with politics


8:51 - Jacob and Noah discuss the fire in Oakland


11:10 - Patricks thoughts on Facebook arguments 


12:51 - Fuck Donald Trump


13:51 - Noah gives his thoughts on the Oakland fire and how it effected the people around him and the art world in general


17:01 -


17:36 - Read more about the Arts District development:


18:51 - Noah discusses how the Los Angeles Arts District is changing and shifting while real artists are being pushed out


21:47 -


22:41 - Patricks thoughts on the Oakland fire and what he thinks the number one reason DIY spaces get shut down


29:27 - “The problem is there is a lot of people out there with misinformation.” 


36:18 -


36:51- Bryon Bishop articles



37:42 - Noah Nelson breaks down what Immersive theater is


40:46 -


41:21 -


42:16 -


44:31 - Patricks thoughts on Immersive theater 


48:51 - Jacob talks about fearing the spotlight


52:49 -


56:01 -


57:33 - Noah explains what the new Cinema camera is, what it can do and how it ties in with VR.


(read more on what a VR is here:


1:01:36 - Did you go to the John Wolf abandoned hospital art show?


1:04:27 - Noah Nelson gives his input on non interactive immersive shows


1:05:47 - The idea of open frame theater


1:06:11 - “Interactive theater does not have to be immersive to be interactive.”


1:08:31 - Jacob describes his favorite rooms in John Wolfs abandoned hospital art show


1:09:21 - You say something can be interactive but not immersive; can you give an example of that?


1:09:34 - Annie Lesser: Getting To Know You


1:12:46 - Annie Lesser A(partment) 8


1:14:31 - Noah explains how escape rooms can be immersive


1:18:21 - Patrick, when you were developing this escape room did you feel like you were developing an immersive theater show?


1:18:51 - Patrick explains the Think Tank Galleries escape room in more detail


1:25:58 - If you had to go back and change something Patrick, what would you do differently?


1:31:51 - Noah explains what The Delusion is


1:32:26 - Jacob gets wet off vocabulary


1:37:00 - Andrew McGregor:


1:37:29 -


1:37:51 -


1:39:11 -


1:40:26 - If you had to asses what about Delusion makes it a stand out what would you say?


1:43:30 - What is The Tension Experience?


1:45:51 - Noah explains what one of the stories for Tension was


1:49:51 - Stripping down in The Tension Experience


1:56:04- Manipulating and brainwashing 


2:00:56 - Patrick explains what Darren Lynn did at The Think Tank Gallery


2:10:26 - Megan Reilly:


2:12:41 -


2:14:16 - “The real currency is the attention the audience gives and if the company feeds it back.”


2:16:31 - If a 20 year old high energy individual was hopping in the arena right now, what kind of things would you want to see them do with all that energy?


2:18:24 - What was the first immersive theater show that you ever attended?


Did you go to New York specifically to see those shows?


2:22:21 - Where you can find more of Noah Nelson


Jan 4, 2017

Kiran Gandhi has spoken to thousands of people about her particular way of changing the world, and has implemented into her performance art such unusual strategies as dripping menstrual blood while running marathons. We've known each other since before either of us gained audiences so sitting down to talk about how to responsibly reach those audiences while on the mic with them is an introspective affair. She is one of the best musicians we know, one of the smartest people we've met, and one of the most interesting women you could come across. She believes that the Future is Female and we're on board with that idea after this chat. We hope you will be, as well. 


3:05 - Is google consciously not that female friendly? 


4:55 - Jessica Wethington Mclean:


5:15 - Kiran’s thoughts on stay home dads and taking on roles as a parent


6:15 - Kiran gives a little run down on who she is and what she does


7:10 -


7:45 -


10:04 - What was your major in college?


10:55 - Within Kiran’s first two months of living in Los Angeles she got a full time job at Interscope as their first ever digital analyst.


11:03 -


14:05 - Did you set out a goal to make a job out of your internship before they gave you an official job?


15:18 - How did you navigate from Interscope to Spotify?


17:00 - Was going to school for your MBA worth it?


17:05 -


18:05 - Speaking confidently and critically has helped Kiran as a consultant and an artist.


18:35 - Did you start your own company? 


19:00 -


19:15 - Kiran explains how doing free panels has helped her


21:00 -


21:17 - Streaming services


21:55 - Kiran’s business plan and how she thinks artists should be getting paid a bigger percentage 


23:09 - The dangers of labels knowing what music is more valuable than others and how that makes artists change their music


24:48 - Kiran explains what “gating content” means.


26:22 - Where do you listen to your music at?


27:55 - Kiran’s thoughts on artists putting their own music onto Spotify 


30:41 - Are you on Spotify? Who would you imagine seeing next to you as related artists?


31:15 - How did you get involved with MIA?


32:10 - Sinziana Velicescu:




34:45 - One of the most interesting things about you is that you try to get difficult ideas across to audiences when they may or may not want to hear them; why don’t you talk about your band and how you are trying to do that.


36:10 - Runson Willis:

Do you love -


36:53 -


38:25 - Madame Gandhi EP


38:35 - Were you apart of the invention for the phrase “The future is female?”


38:45 - Check out Otherwilds collection here:


39:45 - You have this idea of the four levers of social change; how did you come up with this metaphor and implement it?


45:15 - Which levers do you think are the most difficult to pull?


47:15 - Where to find Kiran Ghandi:


Read Kiran’s interview with Rolling Stone here:  


49:43 - Music begins

Dec 21, 2016

Scott Hove is an artist whose primary medium is perspective. He has manipulated his art viewers psychologically and literally for decades, and his work is more poignant than ever. He asked our hosts to sit down and talk as Bay Area natives about what the recent Oakland fire means for DIY, artist-run, and under the radar spaces for creation, and make some plans for the future. This is a heavy episode and one with a lot of potential action on the other end, but also one of our most broad discussions. We hope you enjoy it and contact us if you have any interest in learning more about permitting with us and addressing our community's needs with us. 

This episode requires some serious visual context, so check out Scott's work at as we go along.


4:30 - Intro to Scott Hove


6:30 -


Find more details on Scott Hove’s upcoming show in San Francisco on January 15th here:


8:45 - Explain to people who have never seen your work before? What is cake land?


11:00 -


12:40 - Patrick, if you were to give a break down on what you see in cake land what would that be?


15:20 - ISIS Cake:


17:40 - The Think Tank receiving hate mail from upset people from Scott Hove’s unique pieces of art.


18:50 - Patricks thoughts on losing followers from art shows or events.


21:45 - As an artist have you adopted the “can’t please everyone mentality,” or have you had this mentality since day one?


22:30 - Scott Hove’s thoughts on paying attention to pop culture


23:30 - Scott Hove’s personal aesthetic 


24:50 - Recycling and repurposing old design


25:00 - Dieter Rams:


26:19 - “Master your instrument, Master the music, and then forget all that bullshit and just play.”” - Charlie Parker


26:50 - Salvation Mountain:


28:24 - How to pronounce Scott Hove


29:31 - Reflecting on Break Bread:

What do you remember about break bread? What do you look back on fondly?


30:10 - Check out Keith Bakerson’s Ice cream truck Installation here:

See more of Keith’s work on his Instagram: 



32:15 -


34:10 -


35:10 - The power of an image


35:20 -


35:45 - More about Scott Hove’s cake gallery in Oakland


36:49 - What lead you to design your first cake?


39:12 - Scott Hove explains how he was feeling more violent than beautiful and it impacting how he now uses light and dark in his art.


40:55 - Scott Hove gets into the injuries he has witnessed while working on tug boats and how working with tough guys has opened his eyes and balanced him..


45:20 - Barley surviving financially Scott Hove makes the choice to quit his secure job and throw all his energy into his art. 


47:00 - Patrick, what was it like for you to quit your job and commit to what you love doing?


49:15 - Patricks thoughts on being committed to change


50:15- Consequences of your decision


52:00 -


52:20 - DIY Art spaces


55:30 - Jacobs thoughts on building safety rules and regulation


56:03 - Patricks experience and the sequence of someone getting a space and not understanding rules and regulations


57:50 - Scott Hove’s thoughts on managing an artist space and knowing the rules and regulations


58:30 - Enriching communities with art


1:00:30 - Scott Hove explains how Think Tank has made a program to make it easy for artist run spaces to work with the city to get proper permitting and Jacob explains the thought process behind it in more detail.


1:02:30 - Artist’s starting by throwing a party and seeing how they can get away with it before looking into rules and regulations


1:03:40 - Risking safety for art 


1:04:30 - Scott Hove’s thoughts on how Think Tank is set apart from other spaces because of their knowledge and basic concept of stability plan


1:06:30 - The complications of getting permits and the dedication it takes


1:09:10 - What do you think people need to look into when they first start a venue or pop-up?


1:13:00 -


1:013:30 - How the Think Tank pitched their grant to LA2050


1:15:00 - Artist’s sharing information about the rules and regulation going into creating a venue that is safe 




1:16:55 - Fuck you Dave Brooks!


1:17:45 - Jesse Damiani:


1:18:50 - Martin Shkreli:

Vice Documentary:


1:20:34 - Martin Shkreli breakfast club interview:


1:22:10 - Scott, you have worked and lived in unregulated DIY warehouses/spaces- what were your first ones like?


1:23:30 - Andrew McGregor:


1:25:10 - The Think Tank exploring the world of expanding to different cities 


1:25:40 - How many of these unregulated spaces did you live in?


1:26:10 - Did you have your own gun?


1:26:25 - Scott Hove shooting a refrigerator in the hood


1:27:30 - Artist run spaces in Oakland


1:29:40 - What do we require from law enforcement to make dangerous situations more feasible?


1:30:45 - Patricks thoughts on how the city needs to have resources and or someone with the time to talk about regulations etc.


1:33:55 -


1:36:30 - DIY spaces being a target in the eyes of LAPD 


1:37:00 - Viewpoint from the LAPD’s perspective 


1:38:00 - Why it is important to go through a permit process when throwing an event/party


1:40:20 - Scott, what do you want to see moving forward in Oakland and here in LA?


1:43:30 - Scotts thoughts on how people and cities need to take responsibility and how artists need to take responsibility for their own safety


1:44:50 - Take an inside look on what Ghost Ship was before the fire:


1:46:10 -


1:46:44 - Looking back at your 20 year old self what advice would you give?


1:47:55 - What were the methods you employed looking back that dispelled the fear of caring what people think?


1:48:30 - Free yourself of what people may think


1:49:00 - Do you feel as if psychedelics and other substances have been important to your growth as an artist and individual?


1:49:30 - Mushrooms helping artists and opening their eyes by stepping outside and connecting to nature 


1:51:55 - Are you making some kind of claim or promise to the universe that this is your duty?


1:52:30 - Connecting with the universe and it helping with your goals and statements 


1:53:30 - Jacob talks about his shroom trip; his vision of what was possible became greater. 


1:54:20 - Scott Hove talks about the terror of mushrooms, how the fear of taking them is a direct reflection from facing the reality of what life really is. He believes it’s important to welcome fear by facing their own mortality in a brave way; art being one of them. 


1:56:00 - “Give the fear a place to live,” and It’ll go through you.


1:56:30 - Jacob tells a story about him and Scott in the desert taking shrooms, setting up tents, communicating to the gods, and sitting in bushes. 


2:00:30 - “Stop and remember how powerful you are.”


2:01:30 - Patrick’s thoughts on psychedelic drugs and how he believes it is sacred moment when taking them 


2:04:30 - Where you can find Scott Hove:

Dec 14, 2016
Here is a short list of things that LA Weekly's "Best of LA People" selection Andrew McGregor can call himself: inventor, filmmaker, writer, chessboxing champion, entrepreneur, frequent TEDx speaker, mentor, Highlands games athlete, roboticist, photojournalist, and founder of The Tiziano Project, a not-for-profit that taught journalism to people living in conflict zones and neglected parts of the world with an emphasis on creating jobs through media training. The organization has worked in places such as Rwanda, Somalia, DR Congo, Iraq, Kenyan slums, a California youth prison, Israel, Palestine, and South Central LA. He has been featured in Wired, Newsweek, the Sports Section of The New York Times, and many other outlets.
He talks with us about how to do that huge mountain of dope shit without failing miserably over and over.


00:00 - Introduction to Andrew McGregor


6:14 - http://www.mightykingdre


7:30 - Who is Andrew McGregor?


8:20 -


9:11 - Chess Boxing: Chess boxing is a hybrid fighting sport that combines the two traditional sports, chess and boxing. The competitors fight in alternating rounds of chess and boxing.


9:57 - Give a little back story on how your path brought you here to Los Angeles and Chess Boxing..


13:40 - Do you ever look at these moments in your life and think there is something more like you are a chosen one?


14:10 - Photo journalist James Nachtwey:


Photos taken live on 9/11


15:01 - How far along the spiritual spectrum do you fall in your beliefs?


15:36 - New age and self justifying without a root


16:50 - How McGregor conducts himself by reducing suffering, increasing joy and creating a benefit during every interaction. 


Philosopher Epicurus learn more here:


18:41 - Habituation and discipline


19:26 - How do you put yourself in a mental place where you can commit yourself to so many different projects without comprising any of them?


21:30 - How do you stay focused when doing research in a field you’ve never studied in before?


23:30 - Task based motivation, “If you don't know what you cant do the sky is the limit.”


24:20 - Robotics


26:38 - Robot film festival


26:47 -


27:20 - More about Andrew McGregors short film:


27:35- Apopo is an organization that has a vision to solve humanitarian problems with detection rats technology learn more at


30:00 - McGregor’s prototype robot:


31:00 - Problems and solutions creating this robot


31:50-  At what point did you think this fake robot in an imaginary world could actually be real?


32:40 -Robotis artist 


33:30 - Robotic Squirrel: 


35:15- “Let’s do something awesome with our gifts; desire.”


35:41 - What advice would you give those who are intrigued to do something they know nothing about?


38:10 - Do you approach these conversations with your prior accomplishments at hand?


39:00 - Do you think almost being killed has contributed to your outlook and unleashed fearlessness?


40:20 - Being focused and having integrity will allow you to do anything you want


40:40 - Expanding on the times McGregor has almost died. 

Does your philosophy help you with approaching women?


42:50 - Patricks thoughts on war, soldiers and how life works.


44:50 - Ted Haler Poem called "first tour" (can not find)


45:40 -


45:45 - Veterans “thank you for your service.”


47:03 - Andrew McGregor’s Photo journalism career


47:20 - How did you come across this industry (photojournalism)?


47:30 - Travel photography, moving to different countries and learning new languages.


48:40 -


49:15- How photojournalism ties in with seeking the world


50:15 - Patricks thoughts on making an impact


51:35- At what stage did you decide that your purpose on this world was philanthropic?


52:15 -


54:20 - A bad year in Los Angeles turning into a good summer in Berlin.


54:40 - McGregors thoughts on “do you view yourself as an employee or an employer..”


56:33 - Tell us what the Tiziano project is


learn more about the Tiziano project here:


58:17- The intimate and beautiful photos McGregor received back after letting a community use his camera. 


59:15- Local perspective 


1:00:10 - Erik Kim 


1:00:48- You have a belief that every single group of human beings in the history of mankind has a story teller; have you found that to be true?


1:03:25 - How did you get introduced to Tedx- what did you talk about and what was the response?


1:03::48 -


More Tedx talks with Andrew McGregor:;TEDxSantaMonica-2


1:04:20 - Non-profit organization


1:05:32 - Was public speaking an intimidating process for you and how did you approach that?


1:06:30 - Remembering the benefits of your public speaking and what is a stake


1:07:10 - Are you afraid of anything?


1:07:45 - You have a very busy lifestyle do you prioritize ensuring that you are able to go out and meet up with friends or call people? How have you nurtured these relationships outside of business?


1:09:33 - “Its up to you to make your own destiny.”


1:10:50 - Self analysis and the nature of wealth


1:12:40 - Built to Last by, Jim Collins


1:13:57 - What is glory to you? Do you believe hard work to be an ingredient in glory?


1:15:45 - What is your methodology for that?


1:15:58 - The Iceman Wim Hof


Learn more here:


1:17:20 - Meditation techniques; breathing and ice baths.


1:18:34 - You like to chase world records; can you tell us which ones you are involved in right now?


1:19:00 -


1:20:20 -


- Timur Gareyev:


1:23:13 - How Jacob and Patrick met Andrew McGregor 


1:23:31 -

Avi Roth:

Interview with coffee bar sculptor Garrett Kovacs: 


1:25:50- Can you explain to our guests what chess boxing is?


1:29:55 - Patricks thoughts on chess boxing


1:30:20 -


1:34:20: - Did you learn to box from George Foreman?


1:37:00 - Freddie Roach boxing trainer:


1:38:50- The methodology of doing aggressive physical exertion followed by meditation or chess


1:40:25 - Brand X Magazine with Andrew McGregor:


Last Call with Carson Daly:


1:42:30 - Chess boxings growth


1:43:57- Chess boxing started as a performance art and is now being labeled as a sport


1:46:40 - Patrick gets into depth on his outside perspective of the vessel McGregor has created by going from a violent environment, to Los Angeles and how he’s found a balance.


1:52:00 - Therapy within this sport


1:55:08 - Chess boxing being a transformative experience


1:56:15 - Looking back on all these things you've gone through, if you were to speak to your past-self what lessons would you instill in that conversation?


1:56:59 - What is next for you?


1:58:30 - Where you can find Andrew McGregor:

Dec 8, 2016

 Ari Simon is one of those guys that runs shit behind the scenes in Downtown LA. He knows a hell of a lot about said scenes, and he has had a hand in a few different areas of local government. He is best known for his events and survey of the neighborhood, Get Downtown – a map and print publication that also has a heavy online presence and killer newsletter. 



0:35 - What is GET DOWN TOWN? 


• Tower Theater’s first talkie


6:15 - Ari’s involvement in DTLA - A2B 


10:15 - Working with the Historic Core BID 


● What is the BID?


15:35 - DTLA Perspective - The differences between then and now 


○ 6th St - The most underrated street in DTLA


23:25 - The DTLA Cultural Stakeholders Group 


○ The Broad comes to Los Angeles


25:07 - An Accidental Call to Action - Bringing venues together 


26:53 - Eli Broad - One of the biggest art collections in the world /


32:43 - The Future of DTLA 


37:00 - What is Night on Broadway? 


○ What is a way that we can inspire people?


42:27 - “We’re not old money, we’re young money” 


44:00 - The History of Pershing Square


50:52 - Gentrification of DTLA 


54:33 - What the fuck is Ari’s job? 


○ Separating different projects when representing different businesses


1:03:03 - The Development of Take Me Home LA 

○ What does it mean to be home in LA?


1:07:30 - Challenges faced as a curator 


1:11:13 - When a creative’s performance goes awry 


○ Fabric Planet


1:23:48 - What is Monkey Town?


1:24:40 - The Sponsorship Debate 


○ Levi’s Commuter Space 


1:37:40 What’s in your event pipeline for the history of DTLA?


1:43:50 - What would you tell your 20 year old self? 


Ari can be found in DTLA, NYC, Paris, Berlin, Mexico City... or and

Dec 1, 2016

Sinziana Velicescu, best known for her much-hyped Instagram profile @casualtimetravel and curatorial efforts at Standard Vision, is an old friend and a great photographer who has truly built a career on her own terms. She also has a very real and loving relationship with her home in Los Angeles. If you are an Angeleno through and through, this is the episode for you. If you're looking for some words of wisdom on maintaining your practice in a city as big as this one, you'll also find plenty of them here. 


5:30 - City of dreams -


6:40 - What is your role at Standard Vision?


7:22 - Can you name some notable artists who have shown on the screens?

Video Artist: Pascual Sisto


Robert Seidel-

Casey Reas-

Andreas Fischer-


7:55 - SV Presents:


8:05 - AREA by Will Galperin,


8:25 - Dan Chen SV Presents 

Elliot Lee Hazel -

Beck videos by Elliot Lee Hazel-


12:17 - Bill Violla


13:45 - Jenny Holzer



17:05 - How do you approach listening to people within the art you create?


17:25 - Teddy Kelly mural on 8th and Los Angeles:


20:35 - What software are you guys using at Standard Vision?


22:25- Marriott:



Transition to Photography


22:50 - Tell us how you got into photography and gained the skill of photographing architecture.


23:25 - Finding ways to photograph each shot differently.


24:25 - Being inspired as a child from LACMA’s modern art paintings.


25:40 - Children art classes at the armory in Pasadena


26:02 - Writer and art historian Cy twombly had kids make paintings for him allowing them to draw whatever they wanted, sometimes he would add to them sometimes he wouldn’t.


27:51- Sinzi adding visual puns in her photography


28:10 - What is your process? 


28:25 - Exploring and capturing places that have history


29:25 - Street photography:


31:25 - Sinzi falling back in love with LA by taking moments that are usually critiqued and finding life in them.


36:21- At what stage in your career was it when you looked at your photography and realized you could sell them in a gallery? 

Where was the first gallery you sold them in?


37:25 - Eliminating people from photography shots


41:25 - Elements of human interaction in Sinzis photography


42:25 - What are the cities you have loved going to recently where your work has been shown and how does it feel?


48:05 - You Are Here video recap:


Neema Sadeghi:


49:09 -


51:08 - Are you restricting yourself to shoot only in Los Angeles?


54:09 - Vinyl mixtape monthly subscription:

Sinzi’s design:


57:25 - Getting creative opportunities


57:53 - Building your own route around the US and getting paid to do it at


1:00 - Acid and shrooms


1:05:25 - Have you done any other road trip/photo trips?


Transition to music videos


1:06:25 - How do you define your style?


1:07:26 - Thoughts on rap music and music videos


1:09:16 - What music videos do you remember from when you were younger?


1:13:43 - The outside perception of Los Angeles and being who you want to be


1:17:05 -


1:18:07 - Do you think you’ll spend your life in LA?


1:18:34 - Sinzi’s idea to create a GPS Based app of hidden gems in Los Angeles and how it relates to the already existing Pokemon Go


1:28:38 - Do you guys have a R & D department and is there any technology you specifically want to get your hands on?


1:29:46 - Damon Martin mural artist: 


1:32:30 - Do you have a general mission that builds up to something in the future?


1:33:25 - Millennia's wanting to be invested in multiple creative outlets 


1:37:25 - Do opportunities come to you now or do you still seek them out?


1:38:53 - When did you feel the shift of your work and you taking off?


1:39:40 - Brandon Monk skate ramp:


1:44:25 - Jacob ghost riding


1:50:15 - Have you done any music videos where the artist does not want to be in front of the camera? 


1:51:44 - How do you transition from one opportunity to the next and do you have a strategy for it?


1:54:35 - Approaching the game with “If you are not in love with the shot don’t record it.”


1:57:08 - Are there any last memorable things you’d like to share with the listeners?

Tips for new photographers: Shoot with film to limit your photos or shoot with iPhones and don’t go by the rules. 


Book recommendations:


Where to find Sinziana:

Instagram: @casualtimetravel 


Standard Vision:

Nov 16, 2016

Shelley Holcomb may be the best person to listen to if you’re deciding what to do with your time. For her day job she helps run the SCI-Arc brand and public program, and spends the rest of her time curating a sex show (Whits n Giggles), creating her own art and experiences for places like MOCA, and running the definitive voice in event curation across Los Angeles (Curate LA). We talk to her about the challenges of running so much dope shit, and the merits of curation in general.


Show Notes, Shelley Holcomb Real Talk Podcast


Find Shelley and her various brands here:


3:00 – Intro to Shelley Holcomb


5:37 – What is Curate LA? Things that do not fit into Curate.LA platform


6:23 – What is Whits n Giggles? Sex radio show on 1630 AM in Chinatown


9:36 – Take Me Home L.A. installations by Whits n Giggles and Think Tank Gallery


10:48 – Womb Regression Therapy


12:08 – Water drumming


13:00 – Aliens are actually our memory of doctors pulling us out of the womb, and abductions are our subconscious’ attempt to return


14:27 – Whits n Giggles Radio, difference between episode 1 and episode 50


18:25 – Whits n Giggles highlights of KCHUNG Radio sex talk show


18:48 – Mistress Lucy, artist and dominatrix


19:35 – Whits n Giggles TV


20:27 – The Handjob Show, a Wank Bank class on Whits n Giggles TV and sex coloring book


22:30 – How to hide this shit from your family


22:48 – A mukbang show, Korean trend of eating food on camera


24:25 – Sneaker destruction and sex fetishes, traumatic experiences turning into fetishes


25:47 – ASMR (autonomous sensory meridian response)


Page turning:


28:15 – Various Small Fires ASMR soundscape


29:10 – Submitting listings to Curate LA, Curate LA’s growth, how it started


37:47 – Super sexy artists Shelby Sells and Thongria from Detroit



39:17 – The three platforms of Curate LA; website/map, app, and newsletter


43:20 – BYOB (Bring Your Own Beamer) video art show


Rafaël Rozendaal:


47:00 – Getting around to painting when we have time, comparing notebooks, the merits of an alter ego


49:00 – Argument about having a pseudonym or if one’s work should speak for itself, digging up dirt on the internet, Patterson’s YouTube career, artists should own their pasts, “just make dope art and people won’t give a fuck about your past,” showing off your own art in your own curation


56:40 – Shelley’s art collection


OJ Simpson 30 for 30:


1:03:24 – How to separate your different art ventures from one another


1:12:15 – What newsletters do you follow?


1:12:42 – Galleries and artists we pay attention to


Ripping on Buff Monster:


1:19:03 – What is an artist-run space and what’s happening to them in LA? Define DIY, how Think Tank Gallery was built, Larry Gagosian starting as DIY, commercial galleries that are also DIY, sweat equity, alternative arts spaces


Podcast with Mark Schustrin:


1:27:05 – Real Talk Photoshop Challenge


1:28:55 – Mutant Salon at the Broad


1:31:16 – Pearly’s Beauty Shop at Superchief Gallery


1:34:08 – Channeling a younger version of yourself, and giving that self some advice, should people go to college? Importance of travel, how to start your career in the arts in LA in your first two weeks here

Nov 11, 2016

Sarah Penna is one of our most successful and insightful friends, and her newfound motherhood has provided even more insight. She tells us about the challenges of being acquired by Dreamworks and becoming a mother at the same damn time, and drops some priceless knowledge on the reality of online content and marketing. Sarah KILLS it. Don’t sleep on this episode.


3:25 Jacob and Sarah’s relationship 

     Philip DeFranco

5:13 Big Frame launched

9:24 Pioneering a business in YouTubers

     “Let me take on the nitty gritty… you focus on creative”

10:19 Partnering with Steve Raymond 

     Digitour -

12:55 1st YouTuber lost to shooting 

     A loss of innocence

16:30 “Hey Guys” 


20:22 Early days of Current 

21:24 Managing Snooki and Jwoww’s YouTube accounts 

     Yung Mommy

24:09 Big Frame/Working with Steve Rayond 

33:51 The challenges of working with talent 

36:54 Income and opportunities for YouTubers- then and now 

38:21 What is YouTube Red? 

43:34 “Ive reached the top and had to stop, and that’s what’s bothering me” 

52:34 How Vine changed the world of film making 

59:27 Selling a company before 30/Becoming a mom 

1:09:04 Shay Carl and Tim Ferriss podcast

1:23:34 What it means to sell a company

     Extreme Ownership

1:38:313 Awestruck- “We like being domestic but we’re not afraid to order takeout”

1:53:34 Why to use an influencer in brand marketing?/Evolution of brand marketing

2:00:59 Sarah’s future in new media


IG and Twitter- @sarah_penna

Snapchat- mrspenna

Sep 28, 2016

We don't know anyone that can sell things better than our friend Mark Schustrin. He can sell anything, really, but art is his passion. We talk to Mark about his auction company Bid27, how to get into art sales, sales techniques, and much more. 


05:45 - Gertrude Stein's 27 Rue de Fleurus

Midnight in Paris


08:29 - Primary vs. Secondary Market


9:35 - Mark's backstory, auction school and culture


11:30 - Rome was auctioned off


14:05 - 2012 Championship for Auctioneers, rednecks in Sacramento, how to win auction competition


16:30 - Bid Calling


17:35 - Rap freestyling = bid calling


18:43 - Filler Phrases/bid calling example


19:43 - Reading people, Where is the line you can't cross when pushing into a sale?


21:39 - Bid calling examples, incorporating price increments


23:09 - Auctions are psychology


24:14 - Planting bidders in the crowd


25:06 - How is Bid27 different? What is a benefit auction? How do normal auctions work?


28:12 - Pulp Auction


32:09 - Introducing rising artists to auction, definition of provenance


36:10 - Protecting sellers and artists as an auction house


37:20 - Reserves on artworks, strategies in selling via auction


39:15 - Artists we have seen benefit from Bid27


42:25 - Defining value of art, sales through auction


46:32 - How to evolve the art auction experience, monetizing art in new ways, Scott Hove


48:28 - "Gucci old maid" - Make a photoshop of this and win a pin


49:43 - Yozmit the performance artist from DBA, "doubling" a lot


52:02 - Performance art piece auctioned at the Think Tank


57:00 - Art Share LA


57:57 - Mural Conservancy of LA


58:20 - Sales is sales is sales, how to get into sales, science of sales

The Closers

The Closers 2

Glengarry Glen Ross

Wolf of Wall Street

Zig Ziglar


1:00:45 - Tips for making sales in art


1:02:15 - How to approach someone for a sale, is everything sellable?, selling things you want to believe in


1:04:34 - Break Bread sales of Scott Hove for huge piece, following up with buyers and staying happy


1:08:15 - Auction sales vs. gallery floor sales, building taste profiles for buyers to offer them more stuff that they like, capturing info for followup


1:12:40 - Being comfortable or uncomfortable in high art setting, LA Art Show, Mars rover


1:16:40 - Bid spotters, ring men, the art of mediating between auctioneer and audience, yelling "yes!" in the crowd, entry point to the auction world


1:18:45 - Closing out the art sale, upselling, pre-bidding, absentee bidding


1:22:47 - Buyer's premium, "underwriting the auction"


1:24:32 - Mark Schustrin at 20 yrs old to now


1:26:00 - Everything is sales even explaining ideas, the idea of closing, Pitch Anything, pitching sponsorships


1:28:28 - Appraisal of art, formal vs. informal appraisal, USPAP, Donald Trump University vs. UCLA, document certifying value of a piece for insurance or sale


1:32:45 - Hauser Wirth & Schimmel, Jeffrey Deitch come to LA


1:33:45 - How to find Bid27 and apply as an artist

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